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Message 31 of 330 (634951)
09-25-2011 2:23 AM
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07-26-2011 11:31 PM


Proof of pre-tribulation rapture
Hi Jon,
Jon writes:
Are there other passages that actually support the idea of a pre-tribulation Rapture as marketed by folk like Camping?
If so, it would sure be interesting to know what they are.
Unless the tribulation you are refering too took place before Jesus came and was crucified these texts should suffice to prove that the rapture is progressive and began prior to Jesus preaching.
quote:
Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Enoch went to heaven without dying.
quote:
2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
So we have a record of two men who have been raptured out.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 32 of 330 (635012)
09-25-2011 4:29 PM
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Was Elijah raptured?
quote:
2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
So we have a record of two men who have been raptured out.
A bit off topic, yet I always found it interesting that rather then resting from his labors after having been allegedly raptured off the earth, Elijah apparently continued with his appointed task of prophesying, limited only by the fact that he was now in heaven, and so, would henceforth be forced by due circumstance to accomplish all his prophesying via snail mail.
A perfect example is the letter found in 2nd Chronicles which he is alleged to have sent King Joram years after his abduction.
How exactly one goes about posting miraculous letters dispatched from heaven describing bowel ruptures and addressed to monarchs is left unresolved, as is how one goes about determining the authenticity of such a purported letter?
Perhaps it was postmarked ''Heaven'? Then again, maybe God simply transported him to another earthbound location.
Regardless, we find Elijah being kept busy long after he disappeared from from the scene
One Love

I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have murdered the innocent; why trust what I say, when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.
Mercy Trumps Judgement,
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Message 33 of 330 (635127)
09-27-2011 1:34 AM
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Elijah was raptured pre-tribulation period
Hi Bailey,
Bailey writes:
Regardless, we find Elijah being kept busy long after he disappeared from from the scene
What did you use to draw that conclusion.
After Elijah had killed the prophets of Baal he fled unto mount Horab because Jezebel was going to kill him.
While he was there God came to him and told him to go an anoint Jehu king over Israel, Hazael over Syria and Elisha to take his place.
Here is the text for that.
quote:
19:15 And the LORD said unto him, Go, return on thy way to the wilderness of Damascus: and when thou comest, anoint Hazael to be king over Syria:
19:16 And Jehu the son of Nimshi shalt thou anoint to be king over Israel: and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abelmeholah shalt thou anoint to be prophet in thy room.
If you check it out Jehu followed Jehoram who ruled only 8 years as King.
So Jehoram was dead when Elijah anointed Jehu King over Israel.
He also anointed Elisha to take his place.
It was not until these was done that Elijah was caught up.
Now back to the OP topic.
Do you refute that Elijah was caught up without dying?
If not he was the second person that was raptured up to heaven.
This has already taken place so Jon's question is answered.
There is a pre-tribulation rapture that has already taken place.
God Bless,
Edited by ICANT, : No reason given.

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Message 34 of 330 (635778)
10-01-2011 12:54 PM
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Regarding the Timing of Elijah's Abduction ..
ICANT writes:
weary writes:
Regardless, we find Elijah being kept busy long after he disappeared from from the scene
What did you use to draw that conclusion.
The text from a common bible (as opposed to forced theological projections, etc.).
After Elijah had killed the prophets of Baal he fled unto mount Horab because Jezebel was going to kill him.
While he was there God came to him and told him to go an anoint Jehu king over Israel, Hazael over Syria and Elisha to take his place.
Although I'll entertain your defence below, it's irrelevancy to the point of discussion has been duly noted.
Here is the text for that.
quote:
19:15 And the LORD said unto him, Go, return on thy way to the wilderness of Damascus: and when thou comest, anoint Hazael to be king over Syria:
19:16 And Jehu the son of Nimshi shalt thou anoint to be king over Israel: and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abelmeholah shalt thou anoint to be prophet in thy room.
If you check it out Jehu followed Jehoram who ruled only 8 years as King.
Remember you said that ..
So Jehoram was dead when Elijah anointed Jehu King over Israel.
He also anointed Elisha to take his place.
It was not until these was done that Elijah was caught up.
Is that why the reader of 2nd Kings finds Elisha interacting with three kings reigning prior to Jehu, after Elijah is abducted?
It should also be noted you're propensity to perform such flagrant apologetic gymnastics appears both transparent and a hindrance to studying. And so, there's an overwhelming sense you're being rather disingenuous or naive (alternatively I suppose you could be bold faced lying or just fuckin' with me, though I prefer not to believe the latter(s)). You are better.
That said, one must consider these particular booklets strive to present history from a theological perspective, as an apparent display of God's acting and immanence through history, yet in accord with the respective dogmas of the day.
I'd agree we come closer to something we could call history in the books of Kings and Chronicles, as opposed to perhaps a booklet written in the fashion of Samuel which, though referencings actual people and places that existed, consists more of political polemics (seemingly written in the style of fable employing mythological elements) than pure historical documents.
However, that the various booklets of Kings and Chronicles appear to have met their fate as an amalgam of sorts regarding the common religious doctrine of the day, after incorporating elements of unquestioned wisdom tradition, an unquestioning (and naive) dogma of God immanent in history and events, as well as a very unsophisticated, and even gullible perspective on the prophetic tradition ironically does not appear to be working in your favor.
When the above is united with the fact Jehoram Ben Ahaz of the Northern Kingdom of Yisrael had a brother named Ahaziah, while Jehoram Ben Jehoshaphat of the Southern Kingdom of Yudah had a son by the same name (Ahaziah, that is) - each representing their northern and southern kingdoms respectively, learning of these details is bound to become even more challenging. Nonetheless, it shouldn't be too taxing to demonstrate your oopsy so let's begin.
The booklet of 2nd Kings begins by telling the reader Joram Ben Ahaz succeeded his brother Ahaziah who did not have a son and took control of the northern kingdom during the 18th year of King Jehoshaphat’s reign in the south (and the second year of Joram Ben Jehoshaphat’s co-reign with his father). Link
The 2nd chapter tells us Elisha received a double portion of Elijah juice directly after he allegedly witnessed the abduction of his Master and how some were so concerned they went and looked for Elijah in case he was just transported to a nearby valley or something else occured, though they were unable to locate his body. Link
Finally, after Elisha then has 2 bears mutilate a group of 42 children for taunting him about his male pattern baldness, the third chapter begins to plainly tell us how Joram ben Ahaz (as well as the other Joram’s father, Jehoshaphat, and the King of Edom) interacted with a freshly anointed Elisha, who were all kings prior to Jehu’s anointing mind you. Link
2nd Kings 3:11 writes:
~ Jehoshaphat asked, Is there no prophet of the Lord here that we might seek the Lord’s direction?
One of the servants of the king of Israel answered, Elisha son of Shapat is here; he used to be Elijah’s servant.
3:12 ~ Jehoshaphat said, The Lord speaks through him.
So the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat and the king of Edom went down to visit him.
So obviously if Elijah was popping in and out of the Yisraeli political scene to oversee the occasional anointing of a king such as Jehu years later or write one a letter of criticism such as the reprimand located in 2nd Chronicles, he was not permanently ‘raptured’ in the fashion which you claim.
Perhaps those who had questioned Elisha's story were not too far off with their concerns regarding Elijah's whereabouts.
Ultimately, a lot of time and energy have been expended attempting to 'reconstruct' both the chronology of these events and the history of these times with scholars proposing numerous theories - none of which have found unanimous support.
This should surprise no one and also serve as an indicator that I'm not trying to convince you.
Now back to the OP topic.
Good idea brother
One Love
Edited by Bailey, : fix quotes ..

I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have murdered the innocent; why trust what I say, when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.
Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

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Message 35 of 330 (754070)
03-24-2015 10:49 AM
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07-29-2011 9:06 AM


I feel that a Rapture, if such an event ever occurs, will logically be a mid tribulation event.
  • Unless the Christians involved are judged through Grace rather than works.
    Jon, how have your thoughts on this issue any different in 2015 than they were in 2011?

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    Message 36 of 330 (754141)
    03-24-2015 3:36 PM
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    I feel that a Rapture, if such an event ever occurs, will logically be a mid tribulation event.
    Okay. Any reason for that? What's the logic you're using?

    Love your enemies!

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    Message 37 of 330 (754169)
    03-24-2015 8:01 PM
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    03-24-2015 3:36 PM


    No Evidence Just Common Sense
    To be honest...none apart from common sense. I figure people are not ready to meet God after having just played World Of Warcraft, watched an NFL game, or a rerun of Seinfeld.
    People need seasoning. Mid makes sense. Post Trib would be a tragic gauntlet for the Christians to be forced to run before meeting God..thus I figure the Big Guy will go easy on us with a Mid Trib.

    Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
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    Message 38 of 330 (754416)
    03-26-2015 1:31 PM
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    Phat writes:
    I feel that a Rapture, if such an event ever occurs, will logically be a mid tribulation event.
    I think all of human life is a tribulation, so everything is mid-tribulation.

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    Message 39 of 330 (754917)
    04-01-2015 3:43 PM
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    03-26-2015 1:31 PM


    Trouble With Tribbles
    So why do you want "Him" to leave you alone? Are you at peace with atheism?
    I saw an interesting video from Info Wars that showed the technology available to "chip" everyone and give them a common identity. Usually I scoff at Info Wars as I see them as another business...but this particular video was well done.
    RFID microchips implanted under the skin and wearable technology (Smart Tattoos) will soon be mandatory. Meanwhile the European Union and U.S. Cybercom develop plans for a worldwide standardized Internet ID system.

    Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
    It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
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    Message 40 of 330 (754929)
    04-01-2015 5:33 PM
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    04-01-2015 3:43 PM


    Re: Trouble With Tribbles
    phat writes:
    Are you at peace with atheism?
    Sorry to butt in, but this is an irrelevant question to an atheist. You're bringing you're belief system to it - if you want to understand how atheists view stuff, you really do need to abandon all your preconceptions about what it is to not be like you.
    Happy to attempt this but you have to switch off your pre-programming.

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    Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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    Message 41 of 330 (754945)
    04-02-2015 3:08 AM
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    Re: Trouble With Tribbles
    So why do you want "Him" to leave you alone? Are you at peace with atheism?
    So why do you want Thor to leave you alone? Are you at peace with anti-Thorism?
    Atheists do not believe in the gods. That includes your infantile ideas about YHWH. Why would anybody care anything about a god that they don't even believe exists? Duhhhhhh??????????
    Atheists don't even give a second thought about your god needing to leave them alone. However, what really concerns them and what they give all kinds of thoughts to is the plethora of abominable atrocities that you Christians want to impose on the whole of society by taking over the government in order to force your beliefs on everybody else. In practical terms, atheists aren't really rejecting and fighting against God, but rather against the enemies of religious liberty and of America itself, the Christians who want to destroy America.
    Seven times or more, I have sworn a solemn oath to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I did not do so in jest.
    infowar.com, etc
    Really? Alex Jones, a conspiracy theorist? I've been hearing the same old bullshit from the fundies since 1970 ("The designers of bar codes found that 666 was the magic number to make them work").
    And I'm sure that you still think that that idiotic propaganda piece, God is NOT Dead, is a highly inspiring work -- peruse the comments posted by self-professed Christians on NetFlix at http://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/70299871. So were the anti-Semitic NAZI propaganda films (eg, "Der Ewige Jude") which cut from scenes of hyper-Jewish-appearing individuals walking the streets and rats swarming in the alleys. I can see no difference between those films.
    I'm sure that you are aware of what I've posted about a local "creation science" activist who claims falsely to having been an atheist. As he describes it, he was raised a Christian, but as a teenager he wanted to be able to sate his bubbling hormones without guilt, so he pretended to be an atheist (OK, in his own words he claims to have actually become an atheist because of evolution, even though he admits that it was instead because of his bubbling adolescent hormones). Furthermore, he admitted to me in an email that during that entire period that he "was an atheist", every night he prayed to God. An atheist who prays to God? Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot-Over!!!! The idiot was never an actual atheist. He was just trying to deceive himself and has succeeded.
    That creationist made reference to a Bible verse that was meant to justify his having prayed to God every single night that he "was an atheist", because atheists, according to the Bible, are supposed to be fully cogniscent that God does actually exist. Obviously, that is completely false. The Bible is wrong!
    What do you believe to be what atheists think and believe? On what basis? Do please include Bible verses where applicable.
    Edited by dwise1, : added "between those films.", movie title, and slight clean-up

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    Message 42 of 330 (754968)
    04-02-2015 12:02 PM
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    Re: Trouble With Tribbles
    Phat writes:
    Are you at peace with atheism?
    Why wouldn't I be? If there's no enemy there can't be anything but peace.
    Phat writes:
    I saw an interesting video from Info Wars that showed the technology available to "chip" everyone and give them a common identity.
    Wouldn't the purpose be to give everybody a unique identity?

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    Message 43 of 330 (871757)
    02-11-2020 7:06 PM


    The Antichrist of the Great Tribulation
    SO.
    All those who "knew" I'd be back are right. Yes I get fed up with the debate here and want no more to do with it. This time I wasn't even tempted back by some post or other, which is how it usually happens.
    This time it's because I've been trying to renew my Christian life and that always brings up issues I feel a need to share with others. In this case it is about the nearness of the End, which includes the Rapture, the Tribulation and all that.
    So I looked for a thread to join for the purpose and it's interesting how many have been started but didn't go very far, as I found when I searched on "Rapture" unde "thread titles:"
    EvC Forum: Search
    As usual I don't really want to debate, I want to preach. Of course. The whole idea is to get people saved, especially those who don't want to be saved. But debate is certain to happen. This is EvC after all.
    So I've been listening to one End Times ministry, Jan Markell's "Understanding the Times" radio, which just about always deals with these end times issues, and I don't always agree with them but at least they keep the issues alive, the pot stireed as it were, which is worth something if we really are in the end times.
    One recent radio show was about the Tribulation period which is understood by a certain Christian camp to follow the Rapture, which is understood by the same camp to be when the Church is taken up to heaven with Christ. The Tribulation that follows is understood to be a seven-year period on Earth during which the Antichrist reigns and God's wrath is poured out on the unbelieving world. If you go back through the Archives of Jan Markell's radio shows you will find lots of programs about these topics.
    But the one I recently heard was by a pastor Robert Jefress. He spells out the scripture on the subject and at the very end gives four reasons why he believes in the pre-Tribulation Rapture, meaning the removal of Christian believers at the start of the seven-year Tribulation, as opposed to other readings of the scripture that put the Rapture at the time of Jesus' Second Coming, or sometime during the Tribulation period. I'm with the pre-Tribbers.
    So I've been told here that I am the last one to expect to be raptured, I've even been told I AM the Antichrist. I'm that evil in the eyes of some here. However, I consider my doctrine to be very standard traditional Protestantism, and although I know I'm a sinner who doesn't deserve any favors from God at all I have reason to believe He still includes me in the number of saints. Maybe at the bottom of the list, but on it in any case. I don't think he'd be continuing to "talk" to me as He does if He'd abandoned me completely.
    Be that as it may I think we can discuss the scriptural bases for all this whether I'm saved or not.
    One thing I want to bring up is something I wrote about on my blog a few years ago, that is not shared by many in the Christian world. I've been convinced that the Papacy is the seat of the Antichrist because that's what Martin Luther and other leaders of the Protestant Reofrmation concluded from scripture. Yes from scripture. They were Catholics themselves who started out protesting the deviations of the Roman Church from some biblical standards, and as they kept studying the scriptures and in the case of Luther when the Pope excommunicated him for bringing such things to his attention, Luther began to see ways that the papacy is a complete and total violation of the Biblical standards, and concluded that he is the Antichrist.
    This idea has been rejected since the Reformation by many Protestant teachers, Since I became a believer in the late eighties I herad many times about this figure who is to rise at the very end, all sorts of ideas about this evil political leader, usually from some eastern European nation. But sometimes he's thought to be a Muslim. The Antichrist is identified in the Book of Revelation as being known by "the number of his name" which is 666, so we get all kinds of creative ideas about how that number is to be understood.
    The Reformation identification of the Pope is often rejected just because there is a succession of Popes while scripture seems to point to a singular figure who appears at the very end of time before Christ returns, as THE Antichrist. Well, the biblical evidence for the papacy as the Antichrist is very strong. The only conclusion has to be that one of them, the very last one, will be the singular figure identified in scripture.
    And there is one interesting way he can be identified by that number 666 too: It's not clear where the Latin title occurs, whether in his tiara or mitre or throne or what, but the Latin title Vicarivs Filii Dei contains Roman numerals (Latin is interesting that way. Many languages have numbers or Gematria assigned to the letters of their alphabet, but Latin has them embedded IN their alphabet. No, I don't know if this is unique to Latin but it may be. ANYWAY, add up the Roman numerals of that title, a title which is certainly a name of the Pope, "Substitute for the Son of God" or "In the Place of the Son of God." The title alone identifies him as the Antichrist, but add up the numerals: they add up to 666.
    SO, I for one am convinced that the Antichrist IS a Pope, all are Antichrists but the last one should be THE Antichrist everybody is talking about although most are looking for him in all the wrong places. Hiding in plain sight.
    NOW, is this latest Pope him? Francis? Well, I think so, and I'll tell you why. For one thing he talks blasphemy. Unbelievers like him because he doesn't talk like a religious man. Most of them at least make an effort to sound Christian even when they are worshipping the idol "the virgin Mary" instead of Christ, and taking the "teachings" of Our Lady of Fatima or whoever as gospel, over the gospel of Christ.
    So his character is one reason he could be THE Antichrist. But I also think God gave us signs to identify him, that I wrote about in my blog a few years ago:
    Lotta nice symbolic things have been happening with this Pope.
    First he was chosen on 3/13/13 at 7:06 PM local time which makes 6 hours plus 66 minutes or 6:66 if you're into that sort of thing, and I remember thinking it interesting/curious that a couple hours before he was elected a seagull perched on the Sistine Chapel chimney where the smoke rises to announce a new Pope Antichrist.
    Also, back on the day when the previous Pope resigned there was the interesting event of lightning striking St. Peter's basilica.
    \And now we get this interesting message:
    Pope's Peace Doves Attacked By Crow and Seagull:
    A seagull and a crow swept down on the doves after they were set free from the Apostolic Palace during the Pope's weekly Angelus prayer.
    Tens of thousands of people watched as one dove struggled to break free.
    But the crow pecked repeatedly at the other dove. It is not clear what happened to the doves [except that they] flew away.
    So, the "rational" people at EvC will likely just scoff at all this of course, all this symbolism and odd occurrendes. Just "coincidences" of course. I expect that and we can argue it, but the point here is mostly to alert people to possibilities that MIGHT happen, that you would need to know about IF THEY DID happen. OK?
    So THE Antichrist is to reign during the Seven Year period called the Great Tribulation, after Chrstians have disappeared from Planet Earth. He'll be worshipped, at least at first. Then all Hell is to break loose.
    Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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    Message 44 of 330 (871760)
    02-11-2020 7:47 PM
    Reply to: Message 43 by Faith
    02-11-2020 7:06 PM


    Re: The Antichrist of the Great Tribulation
    Didn't even make it a week did you. Now we should run another pool to see how long it takes till you are typing on all caps. I got 6 days.

    Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
    "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
    If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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    LamarkNewAge
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    Message 45 of 330 (871761)
    02-11-2020 9:20 PM
    Reply to: Message 43 by Faith
    02-11-2020 7:06 PM


    Re: The Antichrist of the Great Tribulation
    What are your early Christian groups or individuals who have this rapture idea in their documents or from individuals describing their views.
    Are your early Christian groups Greeks or Romans
    Are they Syrians or Iranians
    Are there any

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