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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Learn about Oligarchy.
Look at the evidence. What does the evidence show?
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Internet writes:
One of the most well-known examples of an oligarchy in history is the Soviet Union. Today, this form of government is still practiced in some nations, including: Russia. China.quote: Let me guess. It has always been that way. There is nothing new under the sun. Trumps supporters are thus clueless about what genie they let out of the bottle. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith "You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Western powers may argue that a lot of the infrastructure of the oilfields was installed by our contractors with our money. Thus, that oil is not nor ever should be simply Irans or iraqs to do with what they want. What if they decided to sell only to China, for example? We have a stake in that resource and feel we always should, I think. Stop and think Phat. Really. Have companies from other nations invested in the US? So if what you claim about Iran and Iraq's resources applies does that mean China should have similar access to US resources? And again, look at history. Was there an Imperial Power that had investments in Idia as an example and felt they had a similar stake in the wealth of India? Also wasn't there an Imperial Power that decided to simply take the resources it needed when the US placed an embargoes on things it needed like scrap iron and oil? What does the evidence show Phat. I understand you don't want to have to study history and reality but guess what? ... Edited by jar, : left applies out
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I understand you don't want to have to study history and reality but guess what? ... I do my fair share.
How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan’s Attack on Pearl Harbor I also know how our military has essentially surrounded China---the one nation most likely to be our major rival in the next 30 years. They are no pushover...we likely would lose such a war...which calls into question trumps Trade War strategies...unless we see it as an inevitable conflict anyway.
US-China trade war backfires as domestic firms sufferAmericans have paid an extra $46 billion in tariffs since the start of the China trade war, according to new data The Coming War On China quote: But this is off-topic. Let's get back to Iraq, Iran, and the Islamic sphere. China only has relevance due to being an ally of Iran. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given. Edited by Thugpreacha, : refocusChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith "You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: China only has relevance due to being an ally of Iran. You claimed that the US had some right to the Middle Eastern Oil because we invested in the original oil fields. China has invested throughout our industry, resources and real estate. By your reasoning China should have the same rights to our production and natural resources that you assert we have in the Middle Eastern natural resources. The issue is that the US has built a civilization based on taking resources from everyone else; the Iranians, the Nicaraguans, the Iraqis, the Colombians, the Native Americans, ... the list is near endless. Is there any reason that the rest of the world should continue to let us take their resources?
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: If they suddenly stopped, would it push a large portion of us into poverty? If so, count on a war. It is irrelevant what we did years ago. All that counts is how our standard of living is now. And if such a war occurred, we may lose it but at least we would go down swinging. For many years, we have helped many people. If they betray us, everyone will suffer. The issue is that the US has built a civilization based on taking resources from everyone else; the Iranians, the Nicaraguans, the Iraqis, the Colombians, the Native Americans, ... the list is near endless. Is there any reason that the rest of the world should continue to let us take their resources?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith "You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The US does NOT take resources from anybody, that's a malicious falsehood. Fortunately we have Trump now who has made us independent of foreign oil so we no longer have to BUY it from our enemies.
And just to answer this false title: We should worry about "annoying" an evil ideology that kills because it thinks we dserve to be dead according to its dictates and for no other reason? Of course they're "annoyed" by us, at least when we have a decent leader like Trump who doesn't cave in to their evil designs. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: If they suddenly stopped, would it push a large portion of us into poverty? That depends on just how stupid we continue to be. There is only one reason that Iran does not sell us oil and that is because we decided to place sanctions on Iranian Oil. As long as the US continues to act like the stupid bullies we have been then yes, we will suffer. And going down swinging is just another example of utter stupidity.
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frako Member (Idle past 331 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
So Exxon is not drilling the largest share of the largest oil field in iraq?
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sanctions are one way we have of preventing their murdering our people. Taking out their terrorist leader is another, which is reserved for the most serious offenses. We are stupid when we give in to evil, but Trump is righting that wrong we've committed in the past. We are in the right, we are not the aggressors, we are the good guys, and we have to stay strong so the evil guys won't get the upper hand. We aren't going down. For the first time in a long time we've got a leader who works for our best interests and knows how to do it even in the teeth of the most malicious demeaning false propaganda.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: Sanctions are one way we have of preventing their murdering our people. Yet the 9-11 folk were from Saudi Arabia and we do NOT sanction Saudi Arabia. One way to stop Iran from being a threat is to make Iran a partner. Do we not destroy our enemies when we make them our friends?'
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Iran wants us dead, we're the Great Satan, remember? Islam wants us dead. The only way they become "partners" with a nonMuslim nation is by pretense until they have the upper hand.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Iran wants us dead, we're the Great Satan, remember? Islam wants us dead. The only way they become "partners" with a nonMuslim nation is by pretense until they have the upper hand. Yet once again, reality proves you are wrong. Here is a list of predominately Muslim Countries that do not consider us The Great Satan. Country IndonesiaPakistan Bangladesh Nigeria Egypt Turkey Algeria Sudan Morocco Saudi Arabia Uzbekistan Niger Mali Malaysia Senegal Kazakhstan Burkina Faso Tunisia Guinea Jordan Azerbaijan Chad Tajikistan Libya Sierra Leone Turkmenistan Kyrgyzstan United Arab Emirates Mauritania Lebanon Oman Kuwait Albania Qatar Bahrain Djibouti Western Sahara Maldives Brunei Mayotte
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Well that *was* stupid. It makes me think that the top 10% are really running this country and its policies to the detriment of the middle class and poor. Now I am a self proclaimed political moderate, but when it comes to issues like my own social security and future, I become one of the "base" real quick...though I do not support nor like Trump. Faith and them do have a point in that he is standing up to this whole globalization effort to bring the global population into a more equitable ratio...which we pure capitalists do not support. yes, Im all for bringing people up to a better standard of living but certainly not at my expense. I need (and deserve) every dollar I get.
There is only one reason that Iran does not sell us oil and that is because we decided to place sanctions on Iranian Oil. As long as the US continues to act like the stupid bullies we have been then yes, we will suffer. And I am essentially speaking for the middle class and warning the powers that be that if they screw too much with us, everyone will suffer. We dont like being used any more than the global masses liked it before.
And going down swinging is just another example of utter stupidity. Perhaps, but do not underestimate the likelihood that it will happen. What else do you expect us to do? Turn the other cheek and pay the bill out of honor while we grow closer to poverty? No, this bill will get paid by everyone or no one. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith "You may not like it, but the dog bites both ankles."~Tangle
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Perhaps, but do not underestimate the likelihood that it will happen. What else do you expect us to do? Turn the other cheek and pay the bill out of honor while we grow closer to poverty? No, this bill will get paid by everyone or no one. Phat, the bill will get paid. And just how do you imagine we can force anyone else to pay.
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