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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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So, this is the first year I've really closely followed the primaries and tried to understand the system, so maybe I don't know the history here. As much as I disagree with Republicans on social issues, I have to say that the GOP's nomination apparatus is far superior. google is your friend. The dem establishmen instigated this after McGovern ... so that they could retain some control over the party. They account for 15% to 20% of the total deligates. Listing them now is an establishment move to disourage Bernie voters, because they can change their minds, and historically have followed the popular vote. The GOP also has superdels. The system is rigged. Welcome to the USSA Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
RAZD writes: Seems the media is ... inadequate... But the point remains that Hillary is benefitting from establishment superdels. Democratic superdelegates. I concur. As a supposed beacon of "democracy" and "free elections" to the rest of the world, the US is, in actuality, a banana republic joke.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
RAZD writes:
The dem establishment instigated this after McGovern ... so that they could retain some control over the party. They account for 15% to 20% of the total delegates. Listing them now is an establishment move to discourage Bernie voters, because they can change their minds, and historically have followed the popular vote. And I think they justified it by arguing that the superdelegates got to be so by virtue of past election support - a sort of delayed will of the people, so to speak. Certainly the DNC establishment didn't want any more McGoverns (despite him being the 1st major party candidate I ever actually voted FOR as opposed to AGAINST) since he lost so badly to the CROOK. I can still see the cartoon, in H.S.Thompson's Fear & Loathing On the Campaign Trail, of McGovern's fist exploding through the establishment background. But that didn't stop Dukakis' & Mondale's epic fails. Perhaps - nay, most certainly! - the attempt to slow down emotional fervor in the primaries was implemented very badly.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Has it always worked this way?
You are over-interpreting. If Hillary doesn't start winning some actual primaries, then her campaign will fail. Super delegates cannot make up for a record of losing.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
The questions are thinly veiled attacks on Bernie Sanders rather than an unbiased opinion poll that it pretends to be. This from the candidate that complained of "artful" smear campaigns. National polls now put Bernie and Hillary neck and neck -- she is running scared. Among liberals and progressives, I don't see much support for her. Almost every media outlet that leans to the left seems to be far more in support of Sanders than Clinton. There's only one or two publications that seem to openly support her, so who are the rest of these people? Hawkish democrats? Overt feminists? Who else would support her over Bernie? I have no doubt that most Republicans would actually prefer her over Bernie, but they aren't supporting her because they are running their own primaries. So who is left? Either her fan base is not being accurately reflected in the media/polls or someone is manipulating the numbers to create the appearance of doing well, thus creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given."Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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JonF Member (Idle past 190 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Rubio releases an ad springboarding off "Morning in America". Opening shot features Canadian flag.
Opening Shot In Rubio's "Morning Again In America" Ad Appears To Be Canada
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 499 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
I am very disappointed in the democratic voters.
The republicans are practically shooting themselves in their collective foot by pushing for the wackos of their party. And if either Cruz or Trump wins their nomination, they will have given us the gift of giving us unelectable candidate. I'm dumbfounded that the democratic voters are pushing for Sanders, the wacko from our side. I guess if Sanders wins the nomination, it will be wacko versus wacko, unelectable versus unelectable.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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How is Hillary Clinton any more electable than Bernie Sanders? You assert. How about backing up the assertions that he is not electable.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1526 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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I dont know. I am leaning towards Bernie in the primary. I am ready for the Burn to shake things up. Hillary?... meh.
"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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I'm dumbfounded that the democratic voters are pushing for Sanders, the wacko from our side. While I am leaning more towards Hillary for practical reasons, I have to take exception to labeling Bernie as a 'wacko'. Bernie is a seasoned politician with decades of service. What has he done to warrant such a negative label? You can argue that he might be too far left with some of his socialist views. But that does not even come close to the lunacy that permeates from The Donald or Ted Cruz. Trump is a walking joke, providing nothing of substance and basically being the loudest, most obnoxious person in the room. Cruz's claim to fame is shutting down the government, taking extreme right views that make Bernie look like a centrist and actually being strongly disliked in his own party. Those two are true 'wackos' in my opinion.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 499 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
You mean the same kind of polls that put GWB a few numbers away from single digit popularity? Remember how everyone said GWB had no chance for a 2nd term?
The problem with the polls at the moment is only the far right or the far left are participating. Most people don't vote until the general.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Well, the polls are all I have to go on ... do you have a crystal ball and a ouija board?
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 499 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
This may surprise you, but the word "socialist" is still a dirty word in the English language. He is unelectable in the same way that an atheist is unelectable. A great number of people still associate atheist to the lack of moral principles. And as such, a great number of people still associate socialist to Stalinist communism.
Look at it this way. It is abundantly clear nowadays that Obama was always for gay marriage. He just couldn't say it out loud for a long time because not too long ago people like me were still viewed as pedophiles. You should have seen my next door neighbor sent her 3rd grader son scurrying home and forbid him to come near us after I introduced her to my boyfriend. As much as I'd like Obama to have supported our rights since the beginning, I understand why he had to be in the closet about it. I don't fault politicians for bending the truth a little about themselves. I see it the same way I bend the truth about my sexual orientation at work. I got a black guy for my immediate supervisor and a muslim for a regional manager. Simply not worth it to come out. That said, I'm convinced Hillary is much more to the left than she portrays herself to be. Anyway, you guys can like Sanders all you want. Just like how the right is collectively denying themselves that they are pushing for unelectable candidates, I see you guys much the same way. It's not possible for you to tell your own breath stinks. Edited by Lammy, : No reason given.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 499 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined:
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Yes, I have a crystal ball.
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