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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Faith writes: Percy writes: In the meantime, why don't you say something on topic and provide evidence for the Flood. Sure. Strata and fossils. Wow, the walls are going up already. Plus that's evidence for an ancient Earth and evolution. --Percy
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
jar writes: Physical evidence is objective. Belief is subjective. Yes, that is what I am saying. Your belief, the cult of jar is subjective.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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LOL
There is no Cult of jar. But if you send money I will try to hum a few bars. The fact remains that there is physical evidence that shows there has never been a world-wide flood during the time humans have existed. That is objective. There is no evidence of either a God or any world-wide flood. That is objective.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Percy writes: Those organizations and people believe that creationists do conduct real science, so you have no reason to exclude yourself from the ranks of the creationists. No Percy. I do not try to prove creation with science. I've already expressed my subjective belief multiple times, but I will write it one more time just for you. God does not want us to find physical evidence of His existence because John 3:16
You're not seeking evidence to help decide between competing explanations of the real world. The REAL world is part subjective. We cannot live by objective means only for multiple reasons. 1. It is impossible2. Some objectiveness changes over time and knowledge If you're looking for evidence of the fictional, I think your hawk is better evidence of Horus than of the flood. I am not looking for evidence. It found me. The story of the flood is amazing, be it fake or real.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
ringo writes: The keyword is "created". If you believe a creator was necessary to the process, you're a creationist. To be fair though, we most often use the word for the worst kind of science-deniers. You're only the second or third worst kind. Fine, I am a creationist who does not believe in creation science, fair enough? I don't like labels. Liek I prefer not to be called a Christian. Disciple is better, because I am always learning.
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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riVeRraT writes: No Percy. I do not try to prove creation with science. Sure you do. Science is about gathering evidence in support of hypotheses. You titled this thread Evidence of the flood and offered Harvey the Hawk as your evidence. What you *do* try to do is be absurdly contrary and argumentative at every opportunity, which is actually a good strategy for those with no support for their position.
I've already expressed my subjective belief multiple times, but I will write it one more time just for you. The search facility here isn't perfect, but it couldn't find where in this thread you've expressed what you say next about John 3:16:
God does not want us to find physical evidence of His existence because John 3:16 Well that's just daft. John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." It has nothing to do with your point.
I am not looking for evidence. It found me. More irrelevant nonsense. You're arguing that a hawk in a car is evidence for a Biblical myth.
The story of the flood is amazing, be it fake or real. It's fake. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sure. Strata and fossils. Wow, the walls are going up already. Plus that's evidence for an ancient Earth and evolution. My participation on this thread has been cursory at best, on the level of "strata and fossils" all along. I don't think Riverrat would miss me if I didn't post any more. Strata and fossils. Works a lot better as evidence for the Flood than for your OE and evolution, LOTS better. Ridiculous really, the idea of time periods sandwiched between slabs of rock, physically impossible for it to happen that way-- many of those slabs extend thousands of square miles, flat flat sediments that must have wiped out whatever living things had been there in that "time period" -- which all managed somehow to get smushed down into the sediments, a bit of flora and scattered fauna and no other evidence that such a scenario ever actually existed on that spot -- not to mention the simple absurdity of expecting a time period to have any kind of neat physical demarcations at all, let alone a whole series of them over hundreds of millions of years. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So once again absolutely no model, method, process, procedure or thingamabob to explain how a flood can produce the very real, very objective evidence that exists.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Go find the model, it's been posted many times on threads put up for that purpose.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Go find the model, it's been posted many times on threads put up for that purpose. I searched and it has not been found. Please post a link to the message. If you like, we can go through the issues one at a time. To begin at the beginning, how does your flood sort millions of recurring and repeating layers of fine sediment alternating with coarser sediment? Edited by jar, : appalin grammber
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I can say it again. You can say it till the cows come home on the moon, but that doesn't make it real.
The evidence is so obvious for the Flood it pre-empts the supposed order of the fossils, which is an ililusion anyway. That is how cognitive dissonance and delusion work.
And the Bible is evidence of God, ... That fakes evidence and creates lies.
... that's a big part of what it's intended for whether it persuades you or not. Oh, I'm persuaded that only a desperate delusional gullible foolish person would give up reason and evidence of reality to believe feel-good fantasy. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2126 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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To begin at the beginning... Another fundamental question: How is it that all of the many different dating methods agree very closely? These are methods which rely on many different phenomena, but they agree very closely. And they show that the Earth is old, and the YEC belief/claim is inaccurate. Unless YECs can show how these dating methods are all wrong, their YEC belief is disproved.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Percy writes: Sure you do. Science is about gathering evidence in support of hypotheses. You titled this thread Evidence of the flood and offered Harvey the Hawk as your evidence. What you *do* try to do is be absurdly contrary and argumentative at every opportunity, which is actually a good strategy for those with no support for their position. Wait a sec, did you just call me a scientist? Are you accusing me of using the scientific method? There you go, putting words in my mouth. I never offered a hypotheses. I just offered evidence. As I stated earlier, it was because I am tired of hearing the phrase "there is no evidence". There is evidence, you just choose to ignore it based on other evidence. So my position is that you are lying saying that there is no evidence. The end.
Well that's just daft. John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." It has nothing to do with your point. If you don't have the Holy Spirit, or a Godly understanding of the bible, of course you wouldn't understand. I;ve said it 3 different ways, lets make it 4. You must believe in God by faith. In order for that statement to be true, you cannot use objective evidence to believe in God. That's my hypothesis, based on John 3:16 and many other verses.
More irrelevant nonsense. You're arguing that a hawk in a car is evidence for a Biblical myth. What does that have to do with the fact that the evidence found me? I wasn't looking for evidence, it just happened, and as I watched it I felt the Holy Spirit telling me this is the way God designed animals.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Faith writes: My participation on this thread has been cursory at best, on the level of "strata and fossils" all along. I don't think Riverrat would miss me if I didn't post any more. You can post all you want. I support freedom of speech. I may not agree with you, so I am staying out your sidebar discussions, but you are free to post.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Dear faith and other YECies
Explain the consilience of results from multiple different sources and systems of measuring the age of the 14C samples that makes this composite graph ... if you can. Denial is not an explanation. Saying the evidence lies means the whole world is lies and illusion, and - if you believe it was created by god/s - that means the god/s created lies and illusions and not one piece of reality. Everything. Think about it. Think it through. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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