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jar
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Message 1 of 35 (430803)
10-27-2007 5:06 PM


While it does not appear that the current Administration is anywhere near as evil as the Reagan Administration, the evidence seems to be mounting that the members of the current Administration are even dumber than Reagan and crowd. What's more, it appears that the current Administration is convinced that the public and their supporters are even dumber than the Administration itself.
Recently, FEMA held a press conference to address the California Wild Fires. Since no reporters showed up (either because FEMA didn't give anyone enough notice or perhaps simply because everyone knows it is impossible to believe anything FEMA claims), FEMA had some of their employees pretend to be reporters and ask questions during the conference.
And they thought the real reporters wouldn't notice?
Since we don't have a forum for "More examples of just how stupid the Bush Administration is", maybe coffeehouse?
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Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Added the "(Re: The FEMA press conference)" part to the topic title.

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Message 2 of 35 (430823)
10-27-2007 8:04 PM


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Taz
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Message 3 of 35 (430830)
10-27-2007 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
10-27-2007 5:06 PM


When I first heard about this, I thought to myself, "Who on earth were they trying to fool? Did they really think noone would find out eventually?"

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Brian
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Message 4 of 35 (430832)
10-27-2007 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
10-27-2007 5:06 PM


I just have to go and live in America, every day seems like an adventure!
It must be great to live in a country with Bush, Benny Hinn, and Buz.
It must feel like living in soap opera.

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Message 5 of 35 (430945)
10-28-2007 2:10 PM
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10-27-2007 8:56 PM


It doesn't feel like a soap opera, it is.

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jar
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Message 6 of 35 (431042)
10-28-2007 10:27 PM


Bump to see if anyone can explain such stupidity
Just wondering if anyone can explain or justify the continued employment of such folk? Why the hell aren't people that stupid fired?

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Message 7 of 35 (431047)
10-28-2007 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by jar
10-28-2007 10:27 PM


Re: Bump to see if anyone can explain such stupidity
Federal employment laws... ironically intended to prevent capricious firing of people of particular political persuasion also protects complete morons.

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anglagard
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Message 8 of 35 (431051)
10-28-2007 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
10-27-2007 5:06 PM


A Challenge for Bush Supporters
I have a simple question that I hope is not too far off topic.
Is there any single decision, foreign or domestic, where the current US administration has actually done the right thing or made the right call? Is there any evidence that they have nothing but contempt for diplomacy, military strategy and tactics, economics, sound fiscal policies, the Constitution and Bill of Rights, science, education, the basic well being of the citizens or even the majority of their own current and former supporters?
If anyone can find something, or more properly, anything to defend it can always be moved to a new forum.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
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Message 9 of 35 (431055)
10-28-2007 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
10-27-2007 5:06 PM


Purposeful ineptness?
None of this surprises me in the least. The cartoonish behavior of FEMA and other federal agencies under this adminstration has convinced me that most of the "bungling" is done on purpose in order to help spread the party lie that government is inefficient and inept and we'd be better off privatizing just about everything (we're well on our way).
I mean, really, they gave 15 minutes notice for a press conference and then justified it (along with the fake reporters) by claiming that they just wanted to get the information out as quickly as possible? Talk about over compensation for Katrina! It's a joke, but the joke is on the American people. And it is getting less and less funny by the day.
Of course, it may also be that the bungling itself is real, made possible by the crony appointments like "Heckuvajob Brownie" who are destined, indeed intended, to fail.

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Message 10 of 35 (431062)
10-29-2007 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Jaderis
10-28-2007 11:34 PM


Re: Purposeful ineptness?
FEMA was blasted by everyone, including the white house, for "inexcusable and offensive" behavior that "will not happen again."
Y'all may not like the White House, and I'm not writing to defend it, but in this case, blaming folks for something that was done by a subordinate organization is really just one more piece of evidence that politics is treated every bit as religiously as young earth creationism is. Who cares what's true as long as it can be used as a piece of evidence for your point of view?

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anglagard
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Message 11 of 35 (431064)
10-29-2007 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by truthlover
10-29-2007 1:56 AM


Re: Purposeful ineptness?
truthlover writes:
Y'all may not like the White House, and I'm not writing to defend it, but in this case, blaming folks for something that was done by a subordinate organization is really just one more piece of evidence that politics is treated every bit as religiously as young earth creationism is. Who cares what's true as long as it can be used as a piece of evidence for your point of view?
Sorry, this is a bullshit excuse. The difference between an effective manager of any organization and one that is irresponsible is accountability. It is the coward and, in the long run, fool who blames all management failures upon subordinates. It is the responsible manager who sets the tone for the subordinates in any hierarchical and organized activity.
Such an attitude of excuse the leader for the actions of the followers is reminiscent of the so-oft quoted attitude of the German populace in regard to the Holocaust. How many times have I read the opinion 'Hitler was the good guy, it was the actions of a few bad people under him that led to such inhumanity.' More times than I can count.
History proves this excuse for the lack of any semblance of leadership or responsibility is perhaps the worst ever given.

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Rrhain
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Message 12 of 35 (431073)
10-29-2007 4:53 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by truthlover
10-29-2007 1:56 AM


Re: Purposeful ineptness?
truthlover writes:
quote:
FEMA was blasted by everyone, including the white house, for "inexcusable and offensive" behavior that "will not happen again."
But it had already happened previously in Katrina. Didn't they learn their lesson? Don't appoint political cronies to do any sort of job but instead, appoint people who actually know what they're doing?
No...the lesson the administration learned from Katrina was: "Don't talk to the press."
This administration has already been found to use fake news reports. Does nobody remember Armstrong Williams and how he was paid by the Bush Administration to write fake news stories about No Child Left Behind? Does nobody remember Gannon/Guckert, a fake reporter that the White House used to put out talking points in the guise of a press conference? Does nobody remember Karen Ryan and her fake news reports ("In Washington, I'm Karen Ryan reporting") about the Medicare drug plan? Does nobody remember Alberto Garcia doing the same thing?
Where on earth does anybody get off believing for one second that the White House finds such behaviour "inexcusable and offensive" when they've been doing it FOR YEARS? What on earth makes anybody believe that it "will not happen again" when it has been their modus operandi from the beginning? They've been caught at it how many times? And how many times have they said that they'd never do it again?
Does nobody understand the moral of the story, "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"?

Rrhain

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Message 13 of 35 (431074)
10-29-2007 5:01 AM
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10-28-2007 11:34 PM


Re: Purposeful ineptness?
Jaderis writes:
quote:
The cartoonish behavior of FEMA and other federal agencies under this adminstration has convinced me that most of the "bungling" is done on purpose in order to help spread the party lie that government is inefficient and inept and we'd be better off privatizing just about everything
Does nobody remember Reagan's little quip that "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'"?
Who on earth is surprised, then, that people who are absolutely convinced that government is incapable of doing anything would, when put in charge of government, ensure that it was incapable of doing anything?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Message 14 of 35 (431081)
10-29-2007 7:14 AM
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10-28-2007 11:11 PM


Re: A Challenge for Bush Supporters
yes.
I can think of one:
Bush created an enormous ocean preserve in the Hawaiian islands.
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jar
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Message 15 of 35 (431093)
10-29-2007 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by truthlover
10-29-2007 1:56 AM


Re: Purposeful ineptness?
I might agree if it was an isolated incident instead of been yet another example of what appears to be pervasive and ubiquitous behavior. Look at what was edited out of a testimony before Congress as documented in On Edits and redaction and denying reality by the Administration.

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