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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
True
We discovered it We are not it To call a person a creationist is tantamount To saying they invented it Which further proves its a discoverable principle Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, no, it is not. It simply shows that Creationists claim a particular scenario.
But it is pretty clear that any descriptions of creation found in the Bible are simply creations of the imagination and not science. But the fact remains, we see fewer and fewer Creationists and that is as expected.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Really
So as an evolutionist if you are Did you invent it or discover it Before you declare that creation in the Bible or otherwiseare from the imagination, You first need to demonstrate that is not a rational viable conclusion from the universe itself Everything suggests it could be You would then need to demonstrate that that observable principle Is not deduced scientifically I make these points to demonstrate that creation or design has nothing fundamentally with the bible it was around long before the written work Creation can be nothing but science Then you can start on the BibleDawn Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Hi Dawn Bertot,
Summarizing your statements,
Were these imprudent and contradictory assertions meant to address the topic? Are you trying to tell us why creationists are visiting EvC Forum in much fewer numbers now? If not then you should be, because that's what this thread is about. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Dawn, I think you're in the wrong thread.
--Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Four replies to one message? Well, at least this one addresses the topic:
Dawn Bertot writes: The usual tactic of the evolutionist or skeptic is to get the creationist or design exponent tied up in some specific biological detail, unwaringly causing them to ignore any of the basics of the actual arguments I am certain this explains the Whys of the fact that creationist do not remain Let's me make sure I understand what you're saying. You believe creationists are visiting EvC Forum much less often because we divert their attention with detail, causing them to ignore the more fundamental issues. What do you think of the theory that both evolutionists and creationists are coming here less often because:
--Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Dawn, you're not making much sense. In the same way that a Universalist is an adherent to the Universalist faith, not the inventor or discoverer, a creationist is an adherent to creationist beliefs, again, not the inventor or discoverer.
This shouldn't have to be explained. It would be nice if you could contribute to the discussion instead of having to have it explained to you. --Percy
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Well this post of yours addressed nothing that I actually said except to restate what I said
I believe I gave you my reasons as to why we visit less. Listing my reasons and not responding to them is hardly a response Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
These are cursory reasons they have nothing to do with the real reasons we abandon the issues.
You do see a certain irony here correct? Side tracking me from discussing the actual issue of creation and why we don't discuss it in greater numbers distracts from the issue of discussion of creation correct? So is your goal to continue to down size our numbers or do you want to discuss creationism, as you folks call it Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Dawn Bertot writes: I believe I gave you my reasons as to why we visit less. Listing my reasons and not responding to them is hardly a response. I thought it was clear I was asking if those are really your reasons why fewer creationists visit here now. Since you say they are I'll address them:
Are you saying there was a time when evolutionists weren't arrogant and pompous, that we've changed? Because if you read the old threads it sure doesn't look like they provide you any support.
So you're claiming that evolutionists are so poor at following the evidence where it leads that creationists don't see the point of discussing with them anymore? Have evolutionists gotten worse at this since the heyday of EvC Forum back in the first half of the two thousand aughts? Seems very unlikely.
So you're saying that the scientific method is so poor at reason and science that creationists don't see the point of discussing with people who use it? Has the scientific method changed since the heyday of EvC Forum? Seems very unlikely.
This is contradictory. You're saying that creation and design both are and are not Biblical issues. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Percival
I'm afraid it's you not making much sense. You or I can't be an adherent to what is or is not. I'm not an adherent to gravity, it simply is. In the same way I'm not an adherent to observable creation Principles, they either are or they are not. Now my purpose in making this distinction earlier was to point out that you fellas refer to creationism, as if it is something we invented ,something we just choose to believe and that it is not supported I'm any way by actual evidence. By ignoring and not responding to arguments in this area the so called creationist losses interest in discussing these issues and we simply find better things to do
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
I'll respond to your post 85 in just a few
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Misrepresentation must be the watch word here, I said nothing of the sort.
Creation principles can in no way be Initially biblical or any other storied issues, they are simple observable facts, sustained by reason. The Bible simply reports what is, there's no contradiction It's not that the SM has changed, its simply that it has never allowed what is actually science to be science. It implies that design is not present because we did not see the designer designing. But with the same breath states that all things are here by soley natural causes, having never observed the event of that alleged hypothesisIt has one standard for itself another for us. Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given. Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given. Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Question Percival
Is creation an observable fact in nature the same way Soley Natural causes are observable in nature? Next, if creation is observable, is it science To deduce it in nature the same way you conclude soley natural causes, for the explanation of things. IOWs if you did not observe the actual creation of the universe by Soley Natural Causes are you still doing science, or did your science stop when you started speculating Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dawn, that is not the topic of this thread. If you would like to discuss that please start a new topic at Proposed New Topics.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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