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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Prophecy is NOT a topic for this thread. Please take it to this thread:
Fullfilled Bible prophecy
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jjsemsch Member (Idle past 5802 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
2) Anthropology - How does Creationism account for all the cultures in the world which pre-date the 6,000 year old time line of Creation? All cultures in the world are descendants of Adam. They don’t predate creation. They come after creation. That’s like me asking you, how were you born before your grandparents? Simple answer: you weren't. On a side note I don’t hold dogmatically to exactly 6,000 years, but the genealogies found in I & II Chronicles, I & II Kings, Matthew 1, Luke 3, and all throughout Genesis give a date for creation around 4000 BC. James Ussher calculated that the date of creation was Oct 23 4004 BC. Once again I personally don’t hold dogmatically to this exact date because, although James Ussher was a genius, he was only human and capable of mistakes. One example is he included the year zero in his calculations. Also the Oct 23 date is based on the Gregorian calendar and we currently use the Julian calendar.
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jjsemsch Member (Idle past 5802 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
My apologies.
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jjsemsch Member (Idle past 5802 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
3) Paleo-Anthropology - How does Creationism account for the dozens of early homonid forms? Early hominids are extinct apes.
There is an increasing, intense competition among anthropologists to find possible human ancestors. As a result, some evolutionists admit that jumping to conclusions based upon scanty, questionable evidence is now a common practice among recent paleontological research in human origins.1 1)
Hominid Hopes Dashed
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jjsemsch Member (Idle past 5802 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
4) Paleontology - How does Creationism account for the millions of years of dinosaur fossils, all of which existed prior to 6k years ago? Dinosaur fossils don’t have age tags on them when they are unearthed. Many assumptions go into dating fossils. To fit into evolutionary theory those fossils many times need to be assigned an age of millions of years. I’m not saying the paleontologists who calculate these ages are being intentionally dishonest; they’re just being consistent with their worldview. My axiom is that the Bible is true. Based on that, I can say that dinosaurs did not exist before creation. They were created on day 6 with all of the other land animals.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
All cultures in the world are descendants of Adam. They don’t predate creation. They come after creation. That’s like me asking you, how were you born before your grandparents? Simple answer: you weren't. But they are. That's the problem for you. They are older than the 6000 year creation date. You can say "well, they can't be", but that's just sticking your head in the sand, because we know they're older than that.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Dinosaur fossils don’t have age tags on them when they are unearthed. If you know what you're looking for, yeah they do, actually. These dates aren't based on their consistency with evolution; they're based on consistency with the laws of physics.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2518 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
That’s like me asking you, how were you born before your grandparents? Simple answer: you weren't. Yeah, well there you've got a problem. What if my grandparents, as children, travelled to the Arizona on a vacation and while there they visited an abandoned village which we can show conclusively that I built. Not such a simple answer anymore. Now there's basically two possibilities - 1) I can time travel 2) Your geneology has a mistake in it somewhere.
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Cthulhu Member (Idle past 5878 days) Posts: 273 From: Roe Dyelin Joined: |
As close to certain as we can possibly be. Position of the legs, population densities, growth rates, feathery integument on relatives of a few of them, and bone structure in general, I think. I believe that there was a recent study on the growth rates of T. rex that showed that they reached full size in around five years, something that you wouldn't get if it were an ectotherm.
There's probably a good deal more evidence, but I'm a layman, and couldn't give much more than the general stuff.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2518 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Where do you draw the line for "ape" then?
If Early homonids are mearly apes, why aren't humans mearly apes? Habilis and Erectus had tools and fire. Hell, Erectus had boats.Neanderthals had even more than that. Who do you include and who do you exclude, and why?
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2518 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
those fossils many times need to be assigned an age of millions of years. Fossil's are not simply assigned an age. Strata is dated by either things within the strata, or by looking at strata above and below it. In other words - if I can't date the perioid of time this fossil came from, but I know it's above 5 million years ago and below 6 million years ago, I can estimate it at 5.5 million years. Sub-Note: You are tangentially on the topic of the "Great Science Conspiracy" in which all scientists are secretly assigning dates so that they all agree with all other scientists. Here's the problem - EVERY legitimate scientist in the ENTIRE WORLD would LOVE to find something which disagrees with current theories. That's the sort of thing that makes careers. Who's the guy who worked on physics right after Newton? No one cares.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 760 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Dinosaur fossils don’t have age tags on them when they are unearthed. And don't need any to falsify Genesis 1. See post 9 in this thread, if you would, jjsemsch.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Dating is a big topic that will crowd everything else out of this thread.
If you think dates are simply matching a worldview then explain the contents of this thread:
Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Version 1 No 3 (formerly Part III) That is the place to take dating issues.
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jjsemsch Member (Idle past 5802 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
5) Paleontology 2 - How does Creationism account for the millions of years of pre-dinosaur fossils? Once again your “millions of years” is an assumption. By pre-dinosaur fossils I assume you are referring to fossils found in strata below strata containing dinosaur fossils. With the Bible as my axiom, “pre-dinosaur” and dinosaur fossils were buried during the Noachian Flood. Animals and plants that lived together were rapidly buried together during this violent deluge. In fact much of the fossil record can be interpreted as being buried during the Noachian Flood.
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jjsemsch Member (Idle past 5802 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
6) Paleontology 3 - How does Creationism account for the mega-faunal, a period of time coinciding with expansion into North America, where we see a vast array of large species (wooly mammoth, giant groundsloth, giant elk, etc) Here is what Creation Scientist and meteorologist Michael Oard says specifically about the wooly mammoth.
Clark,64 Harold Coffin,73 and myself 74 believe that the woolly mammoth lived and died during the ice age after the Flood. Of course by capital "F" Flood he's referring to is the Noachian Deluge. The rest of the article can be found here:
The Extinction of the Woolly Mammoth: Was It a Quick Freeze?
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