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Kader
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Message 1 of 108 (376188)
01-11-2007 11:43 AM


You’re sitting on your sofa having a casual “God” conversation with a friend, and then after maybe hours of debating you hear it.
“I was reborn”
“I met God”
“God reached me”
There is no more possible discussion, he has met God, he has the ultimate proof. There is nothing I could add, nothing I could debate. Whether he believes in a YE or OE doesn’t matter. His belief is now something else completely. It is a fact.
I’ve also read people on this forum asserting that they either speak, or feel the presence of their God. I say their God here because every religion has some followers claiming to have met with their God.
I’m wondering.
Are you special ?
What about the “others religious” who claim the same thing ?
Why does God only speaks with believers ?

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Message 2 of 108 (376262)
01-11-2007 4:12 PM


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jar
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Message 3 of 108 (376264)
01-11-2007 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Kader
01-11-2007 11:43 AM


Just answers? Or Questions?
Are you special ?
Nope.
What about the “others religious” who claim the same thing ?
Religions are Maps. There can be many Maps of the same Territory. Some Maps may be more or less accurate than others.
Why does God only speaks with believers ?
Maybe only some people listen?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Kader
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Message 4 of 108 (376266)
01-11-2007 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
01-11-2007 4:18 PM


Re: Just answers? Or Questions?
Why does God only speaks with believers ?
Maybe only some people listen?
I think I can safely say that the majority of people would listen to God .I don't think even the most hard headed atheist would ignore what God would tell him.
They don't believe in him mainly because he never did anything. no phonce calls, no letter, no memos... God is simply non existant to the atheist.
As for the rest, I was mainly adressing the "other" type of religious people, the one that think their religions is THE religion.

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iceage 
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Message 5 of 108 (376267)
01-11-2007 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Kader
01-11-2007 11:43 AM


kader writes:
I say their God here because every religion has some followers claiming to have met with their God.
However, most religions are exclusive in that if you do not believe in a certain set of core doctrine you are a heathen.
So you have this huge contradiction. Each religion has those who *ardently* believe they have a close relationship with God, or God talks to them, or the are being led by God; but at the same time they tie this god to a set of doctrine that is exclusive or even a jealous god, so someone is fooling themselves and others. Or maybe they are all right and it is a polytheist's world after all.

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Kader
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Message 6 of 108 (376271)
01-11-2007 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by iceage
01-11-2007 4:31 PM


However, most religions are exclusive in that if you do not believe in a certain set of core doctrine you are a heathen.
Yep, my point is they cannot be all right.
So all of them(them being ppl who believe in something else) must be wrong
Edited by Kader, : No reason given.

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Message 7 of 108 (376272)
01-11-2007 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Kader
01-11-2007 4:37 PM


Iceage writes:
most religions are exclusive in that if you do not believe in a certain set of core doctrine you are a heathen.
My bet is that those are the ones that are wrong

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Taz
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Message 8 of 108 (376275)
01-11-2007 4:59 PM


People who have claimed to have spoken to, been in presence of, or felt god:
Phat
Buzsaw
Riverrat
Faith
Iunno
I'm sure there are plenty more. Who else have I missed?
Added by edit.
Might I add that none of these guys bothered to pay attention to details like sight, smell, taste, etc.
Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : No reason given.

  
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Message 9 of 108 (376276)
01-11-2007 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Kader
01-11-2007 11:43 AM


There is no more possible discussion, he has met God, he has the ultimate proof. There is nothing I could add, nothing I could debate.
That's true. Either the person is lying to you about their conversion, or they are delusional about their conversion, or they are telling you the absolute truth. There really isn't a whole lot to argue about.
Are you special?
Certainly not.
What about the “others religious” who claim the same thing?
I think virtually all religions have elements of truth to them. Having said that, they all can't be right in the details of each religion because that would leave contradictory claims. They all can't be completely correct and only one or none, can be completely correct.
Why does God only speaks with believers?
I don't believe that He does. I think He does speak to unbelievers. I can only speak from personal experience here, but I think the problem is they are expecting this really elaborate event to come upon them. If you are wondering if you're weird for not hearing God I think you need not worry about that because you aren't.
As you go through life you will accumulate more experiences. Some may seem insignificant at the time, and in many respects, they probably are. However, there may come a time when you ask Him to reveal Himself to you. You may have to wait awhile and during that waiting period, you might grow weary with cynicism. You may go through these bouts numerous times throughout your life. And then one day you may hear something, feel something, see something and all of a sudden these seemingly insignificant experiences may flood your mind in one instance. You can call this an epiphany or whatever else, but what once vexed you was made crystal clear. I can tell you from personal experience that it is one of the most sobering times in a persons life. And you begin to understand that of all of things correlate. And what was nonsensical makes sense. You start to see some engineering that could only be explained by the providence of God.
Its really hard to articulate. Lemme put it in another context. Have you ever seen the "Usual Suspects?" Well, the main detective in the movie is trying to connect the dots of a case. After all of the experiences had come to pass, in an instant, it was all so clear to him. It just comes over you like a wave or a bright shining light.
I don't know what to tell you. Its a personal matter. I couldn't really explain it any better than I could by telling how I "know" that I love my wife. How can I explain something like that? I could recite poetry to you and you may believe in my sincerity, but you won't know what that's like for me.
That's the best way I can explain it to you. Hope that helps. Again, I should reiterate that you aren't weird for it.

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

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mark24
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Message 10 of 108 (376277)
01-11-2007 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
01-11-2007 4:18 PM


Re: Just answers? Or Questions?
Jar,
Maybe only some people listen?
Don't you think the supreme being that created all the mountains & rivers & forests, planets, stars & galaxies would be noticed when he spoke?
Mark

There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't

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nator
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Message 11 of 108 (376278)
01-11-2007 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
01-11-2007 4:18 PM


Re: Just answers? Or Questions?
quote:
Maybe only some people listen?
I listened and I never heard anything.
Is it my fault I can't hear God, or God's fault for not speaking to me in a way I can understand?

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Message 12 of 108 (376279)
01-11-2007 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
01-11-2007 4:18 PM


Re: Just answers? Or Questions?
Religions are Maps. There can be many Maps of the same Territory. Some Maps may be more or less accurate than others
That is certainly a sophisticated (and I might say unusual) point of view.
However virtually all people inherit their religion from their parents or pervading culture in which they live rather than any sort of logical assessment of the accuracy of the available options.
How does your "many maps theory" account for that fact and indeed your own largely Christian (correct me if I am wrong) convictions and subsequent (I assume) belief in Jesus as the son of God?

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Kader
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Message 13 of 108 (376280)
01-11-2007 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Hyroglyphx
01-11-2007 5:00 PM


I "know" that I love my wife. How can I explain something like that?
The thing is everyone experience love to a certain degree, while only a very select people can hear God.
And im not talking about day to day things you can attribute to God. Im talking about God directly speaking to you and telling you what to do.
Another thing to note. when God speaks to someone it is always (strangely) in concordence to what belief the person hold.

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Kader
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Message 14 of 108 (376282)
01-11-2007 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by nator
01-11-2007 5:04 PM


Re: Just answers? Or Questions?
I listened and I never heard anything.
well thats easy, you didn't really listen....
Serisouly, didn't you heard that one before ?
Like if any human being would deny God (if he existed).
Everyone would welcome any proof of the existance of God. Anyone, especially atheist.

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iceage 
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Message 15 of 108 (376288)
01-11-2007 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by mark24
01-11-2007 5:01 PM


Re: Just answers? Or Questions?
mark24 writes:
Don't you think the supreme being that created all the mountains & rivers & forests, planets, stars & galaxies would be noticed when he spoke?
Sometimes the implied assumptions need to be examined. Why is it always believed that God is subtle?
If there is some scripture that God wanted noted as "God breathed" why not carve it into a cliff or imprint a gigantic religious symbol in the moon or stars. We are talking about the being who gave the galaxies a spin.
In a similar manner, people of most religions claimed to be healed or have administrated healing. These healings are usually of a subtle nature. Not a single case of missing limb been restored. Why does God not heal amputees? Why is that?
Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

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