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Faith 
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Message 631 of 1677 (841618)
10-16-2018 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 630 by Straggler
10-16-2018 4:53 PM


Re: Calvinism denies God’s Justice
So shoot me already. Get it over with. All you moralistic judgmental self-righteous know-it-alls who refuse to understand any of this just do your damnedest and get rid of all of us who see things the way I'm trying to describe. Of COURSE I see how difficult this is for you, you're all stubborn people who refuse to try to learn something that is beyond you or beyond any of us. Bleagh. You just go on judging God by your puny fallen standards. Bleagh. Line us up and shoot us. We'll be better off than trying to deal with you all.

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PaulK
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Message 632 of 1677 (841619)
10-16-2018 4:59 PM
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10-16-2018 4:53 PM


Re: Calvinism denies God’s Justice
It’s even worse when God is responsible for the adultery in the first place. Which leads us to the uncomfortable thought that maybe the baby-killing is the real point and adultery is just an excuse.

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PaulK
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Message 633 of 1677 (841620)
10-16-2018 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 631 by Faith
10-16-2018 4:57 PM


Re: Calvinism denies God’s Justice
quote:
So shoot me already. Get it over with. All you moralistic judgmental self-righteous know-it-alls who refuse to understand any of this just do your damnedest and get rid of all of us who see things the way I'm trying to describe.
You are projecting, Faith. Just because we point out the truths you refuse to see hardly makes us want to get rid of you.
quote:
Of COURSE I see how difficult this is for you, you're all stubborn people who refuse to try to learn something that is beyond you or beyond any of us.
Then try explaining rather than spouting nonsense
quote:
Line us up and shoot us.
If you can’t stand the implications of your own beliefs that is entirely your problem. If you love the darkness so much, stay out of the light.
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Straggler
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Message 634 of 1677 (841621)
10-16-2018 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 631 by Faith
10-16-2018 4:57 PM


Re: Calvinism denies God’s Justice
I’m not going to shoot you. I’m simply going to point out how dangerous the God-definitional morality you espouse is.
Absolutely any atrocity, no matter how horrific or immoral, can be justified by the believer as ‘good’ and ‘just’ as long as they genuinely believe it is God’s will.
quote:
Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
- Steven Weinberg
You exemplify why this is true.

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Faith 
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Message 635 of 1677 (841622)
10-16-2018 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 634 by Straggler
10-16-2018 5:58 PM


Re: Calvinism denies God’s Justice
Just more evidence of how utterly incorrigibly self-righteously wrong you are and everybody else here and how utterly futile and ugly is discussion on this subject.
I get so worn out from being accused of evils that are so far from anything I've thought or done in my life. It's exhausting, it's depressing. I don't even know how anyone is capable of thinking such things.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 636 of 1677 (841623)
10-16-2018 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 635 by Faith
10-16-2018 6:29 PM


Re: Calvinism denies God’s Justice
Faith writes:
I get so worn out from being accused of evils that are so far from anything I've thought or done in my life. It's exhausting, it's depressing. I don't even know how anyone is capable of thinking such things.
Hi Faith. Can I suggest to you that nobody here would actually think that you have done any of the evils talked about here, but can't you see how others with your method of understanding scripture could?
I suggest too that it can also lead to the mindset that the first thing to do when there is evil somewhere in the world is to go and drop bombs on it.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.
Micah 6:8

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Faith 
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Message 637 of 1677 (841624)
10-16-2018 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 636 by GDR
10-16-2018 7:27 PM


Re: Calvinism denies God’s Justice
No you may not suggest it. The strange things you all impute to Calvinism are accusatory, unjustified, unfair and just plain crazy.

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Faith 
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Message 638 of 1677 (841625)
10-16-2018 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 636 by GDR
10-16-2018 7:27 PM


Re: Calvinism denies God’s Justice
It wasn't Calvinists who flew planes into the WTC, it isn't Calvinists who go around cutting people's heads off in the name of "Allah," Calvinists aren't warmongers as a class, these accusations are nasty, mean, stupid, unthinking, stupid stupid stupid and worse than stupid.
The problem is all you accusers and fingerpointers simply refuse to admit that God's sovereignty is beyond your comprehension, your comparison with Islam is worse than ridiculous, you don't know what you are talking about, you are imputing evils to innocent people and you really are some kind of crazy in the head.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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GDR
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Message 639 of 1677 (841626)
10-16-2018 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 637 by Faith
10-16-2018 8:14 PM


Re: Calvinism denies God’s Justice
Faith writes:
No you may not suggest it. The strange things you all impute to Calvinism are accusatory, unjustified, unfair and just plain crazy.
I'm not attacking Calvinism. I am simply saying is that IMHO your method of understanding Scripture leads to a misunderstanding of God. The issue isn't completely settled within Calvinist ranks anyway.
Also, isn't it possible to not agree 100% with any particular brand of Christianity. I'm an Anglican but there are a number of issues about which I differ with some of my church leaders, and with others in my congregation. Do you really have to believe all of what you understand Calvinist doctrine to be?

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.
Micah 6:8

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Faith 
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Message 640 of 1677 (841627)
10-16-2018 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 639 by GDR
10-16-2018 9:03 PM


Re: Calvinism denies God’s Justice
Calvinism is NOT an evil doctrine at whatever level it is believed and practiced. It is simply hard to understand because God is hard to understand. All Calvin did was elaborate what he found in scripture about God's sovereignty. But we're accused of all kinds of evils and don't tell me I'm not because I've been blasted by accusations at EvC for all kinds of reasons based only on my beliefs. Then just read the stuff about how evil what I've been saying on this thread is. This is crazy, crazy, crazy, mean and stupid. Again, Calvinists do not fly planes into buildings or chop off people's heads or do anything but live quiet Christian lives but you'd think we did worse than that to read the stupidities on this thread.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 641 of 1677 (841628)
10-17-2018 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 635 by Faith
10-16-2018 6:29 PM


Re: Calvinism denies God’s Justice
quote:
Just more evidence of how utterly incorrigibly self-righteously wrong you are and everybody else here and how utterly futile and ugly is discussion on this subject.
And yet your only argument is the assertion that it is hard to understand. Without even a hint as to how the obvious problem could be resolved. It isn’t exactly a convincing argument.
The standard for responsibility is basic and simple. Power or knowledge can only increase responsibility, not reduce it power by opening other possible courses of action, knowledge offering that, as well as better understanding of the consequences. The only thing that removes it is strong external compulsion or serious mental problems. Neither of which seem likely to apply.

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Message 642 of 1677 (841629)
10-17-2018 3:05 AM
Reply to: Message 640 by Faith
10-16-2018 9:19 PM


Re: Calvinism denies God’s Justice
Faith writes:
Calvinism is NOT an evil doctrine at whatever level it is believed and practiced. It is simply hard to understand because God is hard to understand.
Alternaively, Calvanism is hard to understand because it's made up, paradoxical gibberish.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Faith 
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Message 643 of 1677 (841630)
10-17-2018 6:24 AM
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10-17-2018 3:05 AM


Re: Calvinism denies God’s Justice
Alternaively, Calvanism is hard to understand because it's made up, paradoxical gibberish.
Some rather well known theologians disagree with you, the best of the best as a matter of fact:
List of Calvinist and Reformed Theologians

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Message 644 of 1677 (841631)
10-17-2018 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 637 by Faith
10-16-2018 8:14 PM


Re: Calvinism denies God’s Justice
This is where you get out of line. It is one thing to accuse unbelievers of being self-righteous and clueless about the character and sovereignty of God. It is quite another when you turn your commentary on those of us who do believe.
You think I don't know as much about beliefs as you do? You think I have not experienced supernatural events? You think I am out of touch with what God thinks and how and why? I could really go off on you right now, but I won't because it is likely what the enemy wants me to do.
If I step back from this forum, and from the individual lives, challenges, and problems of everyone here, and actually look at the big picture I see us all as similar yet different. God as I understand Him may not be understood by me precisely how the *correct* Theologians portray Him as...and yet what gave them the final word? The Holy Spirit, you say? And I suppose that once you gave up studying all of the new age religions and got saved, you and you only knew what was real and what was not real? That is arrogant. The fact of the matter, Faith, is that you are largely an older homebound person who happens to study a lot about Christian History and Christianity and hang your hat on it as your very identity and last stand in life.
You can preach all you want about how if only we saw it as you saw it we would understand it. As if we had to choose that it (The Bible) *must be* 100% true and without error as our initial statement of faith, as you did. You may think and believe that you have to take this stand as it represents the core of your beliefs and identity in this life which you live...waiting to be raptured out of all of this pain, sickness, and heathen nonsense. But you had better back off of attacking and challenging GDR or myself because frankly, you won't win. You have no more claim to correct Theology than either of us....despite your impressive list of Calvinist Theologians. That impresses no one.
Maybe you had better take another break from EvC.
These rants get old.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
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~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Faith 
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Message 645 of 1677 (841633)
10-17-2018 7:41 AM
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10-17-2018 7:26 AM


Re: Calvinism denies God’s Justice
I have no idea what you are going on about since it looks to me like I said nothing whatever to you and was responding to something GDR said. However, I'd LOVE to take a very very very long break from EvC as soon as I possibly can manage it, and YOUR extremely strange rant is an added motivator.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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