Proceedings of the First Conference on Creation Geology (July 26-28, 2007)

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Schedule
Thursday, July 26 - Technical Abstracts
Time            Speaker                 Title
8:45            John Whitmore           Introductory Remarks
9:00    T-01    Andrew Snelling         Advances in Igneous and Metamorphic Geology
                                        from a Creationist Perspective Using
                                        Radiohalos
9:40    Break
9:55    T-02    Lee Spencer             Why Are Dinosaurs Only Found in the
                                        Mesozoic?
10:35   T-03    John Whitmore           Creationist Solutions to the Reef Problem
11:15   T-04    Ian Juby                Crossbed Genesis and the Coconino Sandstone
                                        Ichnites
12:00   Lunch Break
1:30    T-05    Peter Macleod           Tectonic Wedge Resonance: A New Mechanism
                                        for a Global Flood
2:10    T-06    John Woodmorappe        Hardgrounds as a Challenge to Flood Geology
                                        and the Young Earth
2:50    Break
3:05    T-07    Ian Taylor              Billions of Years!
3:45    T-08    John Whitmore           The Prospect of a New B.S. Geology Major at
                                        Cedarville University
4:25    T-09    David DeWitt,           Building Consistency: An Educational Model
                Marcus Ross             for Promoting a Biblical Creation Worldview
                Steve Deckard
5:05    Dinner Break
6:45    Field Trip and/or discussion, TBA

Friday, July 27 - Technical Abstracts
Time            Speaker                 Title
8:45            John Whitmore           Introductory Remarks
9:00    T-10    Timothy Clarey          Cold-Blooded Metabolism and Changing Oxygen
                                        Levels Resulting in a New Hypothesis for
                                        Dinosaur Extinction
9:40    Break
9:55    T-11    John Baumgardner        Rotational Tumbling of the Earth Induced by
                                        CPT: The Resulting Mega-Tsunamis
10:35   T-12    Peter Holyland          Reconstruction of Continental Scale
                Robert Frohn            Mega-draining, from DEMS and Satellite
                                        Imagery, and its Implications for a Global
                                        Flood
11:15   T-13    Michael Oard            Flood/Post-Flood Boundary in the Late
                                        Cenozoic Western U.S.
12:00   Lunch Break
1:30    T-14    Aaron Hutchison         Mercury and the Genesis Flood: A Response to
                                        Morton
2:10    T-15    John Doughty            An Examination of 129Xe and 14C in Carbon
                                        Dioxide Gas Wells
2:50    Break
3:05    T-16    Lee Spencer             Contribution of Paleozoic Sediment Isopach
                                        Patterns to a Flood Model
3:45    T-17    Ian Juby                Helical spiral exhibited in polystrate
                                        fossils, Joggins Formation, Nova Scotia,
                                        Canada
4:25    Dinner Break
6:30    Field Trip and/or discussion, TBA

Saturday, July 28 - General Abstracts
Time            Speaker                 Title
8:45            John Whitmore           Introductory Remarks
9:00    G-01    John Whitmore           Creationist Geology in the Grand Canyon
9:55    Break
10:10   G-02    Michael Oard            The Creationist Ice Age Model and Global
                                        Warming
11:05   G-03    Bodie Hodge             Geological Aspects of the AiG Creation
                                        Museum
12:00   Lunch Break
1:15    G-04    Andrew Snelling         Radioisotopes on a Young Earth
2:10    G-05    Marcus Ross             Twelve Years in Athens: A Creationist’s
                                        Journey in Geological Education
3:05    Break
3:20    G-06    Lee Spencer             Science, Dinosaurs and Hanson Research
                                        Station
4:15    G-07    John Woodmorappe        The Housing and Care of the Cargo on Noah’s
                                        Ark

Not subjects to be debate here, but perhaps a source point for new topics.MooseEdited by Minnemooseus, : Fix topic title.Edited by Admin, : Reformat.

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Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

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"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

The abstracts are fascinating. I recommend reading them with an eye to detecting experimental results.The abstracts seem to represent speculative, just-so scenario papers. All the end-note references are to other creationist publications.Several abstracts in, the only experimental data I could find was a guy flushing newts down a flume. I could read no more.

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This is my favourite. _

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

haha yeah we make that joke around my school alot. "i'm getting a BFA, but your degree is just BS!"

Has research been done on 'kinds'?Cedarville Abstract Book, page 48
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'Housing and Care of the Cargo on Noah's Ark'
John Woodmorappe, private researcher

Modern baraminological studies tend to reinforce the view that the family unit of conventional Linnaean taxonomy most closely approximates the original created kind. However, this author has taken the more conservative view that the genus comes closest to the created kind. This means that approximately 16,000 land-breathing animals must have been on the ark.

Sadly, no research data is presented to support the genus definition over any other. The author merely states a personal preference, then estimates that the ark housed 16,000 land-breathing animals.No word in the abstract on how many air-breathing animals there might have been...____Edited by Archer Opterix, : added link.Edited by Archer Opterix, : tinkering.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

I nearly ended up calling an ambulance to ask for oxygen to recuperate from the laughing fit I had in reading the article Tectonic Wedge Resonance: A New Mechanism for a Global Flood.My guts are going to ache for the next week.

sadly, i've done more research than that. and yes, i would say "family."Edited by arachnophilia, : provided link

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My heart goes out to poor Noah. Water was the least of his problems. Once he dodges all the projectiles falling from the sky and the supersonic ejecta that result, he's got to worry about the sediment of entire ocean floors being dumped on his head.No wonder he wanted a good stiff drink after it was all over.This whole document is very educational. As a non-scientist I tend to fall behind on the latest research. I was actually under the impression, for example, that the earth's mantle is molten. I now learn, thanks to Peter Macleod of the University of Glasgow, that earth has a 'rigid mantle and crust' that can 'fracture and shear' in radial patterns all the way down to earth's outer core.It's good to know Cedarville's BS geology majors will have access to these new discoveries.I'm also glad the abstract book includes photos.___Edited by Archer Opterix, : html.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

Presumably after one gets one's BS, one could go on to get an MS (More Shit) and then a PHD (Piled Higher and Deeper).

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

I like this

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To test this hydrothermal fluid transport model
for Po radiohalo generation predictions were
made. The Thunderhead Sandstone in the Great
Smoky Mountains of Tennessee is regionally
metamorphosed, with biotite, garnet, staurolite
and kyanite zones eastwards as the grade
increases (Snelling, 2005b). Because the
sandstone would have contained zircons it was
predicted Po radiohalos would be found if
hydrothermal fluids were responsible for the
regional metamorphism. Furthermore, because
at the staurolite isograd a mineral reaction must
have occurred which released water, it was
predicted more Po radiohalos would be found
there. All predictions were verified.

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from Andrew A. Snelling on page 5.

Can you elaborate on the significance for those of us who are radiohalo challenged?--Percy

It is important though, because even though "Modern baraminological studies tend to reinforce the view that the family unit of conventional Linnaean taxonomy most closely approximates the original created kind.", that would mean that Hominidae was an original kind and they simply cannot accept that conclusion.The whole conference and school are just another example of the dishonesty of the Biblical Creationists who really should know better. Once again the goal seems to be to simply con the gullible, to misdirect attention and to palm the pea.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I don't think you need to understand radiohalos to see the flaws here. Predictions in science are useful only if they make a prediction that distinguishs them from existing theories - Einstein's prediction that light would be bent by gravity, for example - this prediction does not do that.Also, I've just discovered, there's information in the public domain about these rock formations that predates these "predictions".

I thought maybe you were trying to indicate something about how their predictions don't follow from their theory.--Percy

They give biographies of the various authors, including their degrees and specifically where they got them.John Woodmorappe seems to be the exception. From his bio:

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John Woodmorappe has a BA in Biology, a BA
in Geology, and an MA in Geology; all from
midwestern universities.

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I guess that's the problem of publishing under a pseudonym. Well, at least it's more specific that a Cheneyesque "undisclosed location".MooseEdited by Minnemooseus, : Changed opening "The" to "They".

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Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

​

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

​

"Nixon was a professional politician, and I despised everything he stood for ” but if he were running for president this year against the evil Bush-Cheney gang, I would happily vote for him." - Hunter S. Thompson

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"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose