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Taz
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Message 1 of 22 (692185)
02-28-2013 8:20 PM


In the science fiction novel Tomorrow and Tomorrow by Charles Sheffields, humanity will evolve into composites where large numbers of people are linked together for problem solving purposes. Problems are solved almost instantaneous because every time a problem emerges there are billions of brains working together to come up with a solution.
One rat brain 'talks' to another using electronic link - BBC News
Mice working together through brain electrical impulses to get rewards.
When the technology is perfected, we can go out and drill an electrode in every creationist's brain and directly transmit evolutionary principles into their heads. That will be the day LOL.
Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 2 of 22 (692257)
03-01-2013 12:46 PM
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02-28-2013 8:20 PM


Taz writes:
Problems are solved almost instantaneous because every time a problem emerges there are billions of brains working together to come up with a solution.
We're already doing that over the Internet, albeit with less control than an electrode might have. I suspect that humans will be resistant to an efficient but intrusive approach when a sloppy approach is easier and cheaper.
Not that I'm necessarily opposed to drilling holes in creationists....

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NoNukes
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Message 3 of 22 (692258)
03-01-2013 12:56 PM
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02-28-2013 8:20 PM


because every time a problem emerges there are billions of brains working together to come up with a solution.
Yeah, that's science fiction alright. In real life, 535 linked people cannot balance a checkbook.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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kofh2u
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Message 4 of 22 (692262)
03-01-2013 1:30 PM


... the ancient of ancients is already manifest and directing evolution...
There is strong evidence that we use very little of of brain in the small area which is Conscious.
The larger domains exist wherein the archetypal members of the Subconscious are co-inhabited by the ancient of ancient Unconscious mind.
That Unconscious mind, within the kingdom of the heavens where we make choices we believe are conscious self willed decisions, has long had much to say in regard to directing our evolution.
But, that Directed Evolution is actually accomplished as the composite and sum of all humanity.
Each member who is alive contributes from birth until death to the Collective Unconsciousness of our species.
Like a God or Archeangel, that Collective Unconscious hovers over mankind as his immortal shepherd, never disappearing as we come and go, adding and subtracting from it.
We see the metaphysical "electrodes" injecting whole new paradigms of thinking over the whole living species in the historical record wherein one of the seven past Ages of Man has transcended into the next.
Entirely new world views have appeared everywhere, almost at once, in these enormous paradigm changes.
It has been as if the invisible hand of the Great Shechinah where actually attached to the Grand Olde Man of the Zorah:
The whole process of Life, coping with the Natural Law which required that life to Adapt to the ever unfolding Reality it has cohabited with for millions of years,... predictably and understandably... has lead to "Life" that "understood" the Real World of Existence, de facto it has never died.
That understanding has culminated in the final product of the human mind.
Now that mind is endowed with the ability to image the father of all life, i.e.; the Reality that has frame by frame unfolded to this point in time.
That image is Truth, a body of knowledge that is genetically re-born again in every child.
That Truth is experiential, it came from actual life experiences with the Real World.
Now, Truth will be the "director" of mankind in his quest to adapt, and, hence, live forever with the Force behind the ever changing, unfolding next frame of the Reality within which man is both trapped and nurtured.

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Omnivorous
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Message 5 of 22 (692293)
03-01-2013 5:21 PM
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03-01-2013 1:30 PM


Quite.
k writes:
Now, Truth will be the "director" of mankind in his quest to adapt, and, hence, live forever with the Force behind the ever changing, unfolding next frame of the Reality within which man is both trapped and nurtured.
Well, yes, we will muddle on, and one would hope that Truth, in its less majestic incarnation as fact, would indeed "direct" our kind (rather more inclusively defined than "mankind in his quest to adapt") to embrace evidence-based views, so that banging our heads against climate change, for example, will be precluded, and handing our governments the right and means to kill us extrajudicially will be recognized for the folly it is; and people will turn their eyes from Mystify U. claptrap to seize some control of their own fate and the fates of their children, but based on how common are the sentiments, if not the elaborate semiology, of your post, there is, alas, little hope.
Could you repeat the question?
Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Omnivorous
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Message 6 of 22 (692294)
03-01-2013 5:24 PM
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03-01-2013 12:46 PM


ringo writes:
Not that I'm necessarily opposed to drilling holes in creationists....
I'm in.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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kofh2u
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Message 7 of 22 (692304)
03-01-2013 6:31 PM
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03-01-2013 5:21 PM


Re: Quite.
Could you repeat the question?
Yes, good time to repeat the question.
Is it not the Collective Unconscious mind that has been the rather unseen shepherd working just beneath the level of consciousness which will reveal itself in collective behaviors where whole masses of people, suddenly, together, stand up in the awareness that the social forces at work have been screwing them because they were previously isolated and thought to be alone.
In that unity is their strength.
I argue yes.
What we will see is more Arab Springs where passive resistance as demonstrated Gandhi, Martin Luther King, or the Berlin Wall type effects will swell up and direct man in paths of enlightenment in such numbers and synchronicity that a world of men will closer image the real world that confronts him.

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Omnivorous
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Message 8 of 22 (692307)
03-01-2013 6:45 PM
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03-01-2013 6:31 PM


Re: Quite.
You forgot the question mark.
Understandably.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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kofh2u
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Message 9 of 22 (692317)
03-01-2013 7:34 PM
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Re: Quite.
Right.
I wanted to check your real level of interest in an intelligent discussion where I suspected your mind has not really considered any of this as important nor interesting anyway.

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Dogmafood
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Message 10 of 22 (692322)
03-01-2013 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by kofh2u
03-01-2013 6:31 PM


Re: Quite.
Is it not the Collective Unconscious mind that has been the rather unseen shepherd working just beneath the level of consciousness which will reveal itself in collective behaviors where whole masses of people, suddenly, together, stand up in the awareness that the social forces at work have been screwing them because they were previously isolated and thought to be alone.
No it is not the collective unconscious mind. It is a collection of conscious minds working together and communicating consciously with speech and text. It is the long, slow and continuing process whereby creatures that are adept at communicating are proven to be more suitable for survival than those that do not communicate.
Communication, just like everything else, evolves. Successful methods are retained and accuracy and efficiency improve. The collective mind will emerge when communication becomes pure enough and complete enough that we begin to function like a single conscious entity.
I suppose that all of our unconsciousnesses could be getting together when we are not watching and conspiring on our behalf but I would bet that that is not the case. Uprisings and revolutions are caused by awake people talking to each other.

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kofh2u
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Message 11 of 22 (692335)
03-01-2013 9:19 PM
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03-01-2013 8:33 PM


Re: Quite.
That is all true too.
But in addition to, and to some extent because of, there is the subtle Directed Evolution that is at work, pushing us together.
That, and even inspiring and perhaps "gifting" to some of our science people the very ideas which are useful to the ends of communicating more.
Example:
In 1920 when Neils Bohr was getting on a bus and thinking intently only of his daughter, the entire structure of quantum mechanics came to him in a flash (as he describes it). Where that flash or intelligence came from, and the timing of it, this is the Pure Intelligence I'm speaking about.
This experience revealed the inner immanent God to which Christians refer when they speak of a personal relationship with God. It was his own Third Eye, that ancient of ancient, Unconscious mind that denies him conscious access, but will send messages like this, unbidden and as if from the angels, or some such an epiphany.
But more common and now more easily and more often, and more widely one person's Unconscious mind is in direct communication with that of others, unbeknownst to them, consciously.
The evidence for this is being collected by MRI investigations into the mind.
The Book, Subliminal, makes this very point:
Subliminal: How Your Unconscious Mind Rules Your Behavior
Leonard Mlodinow, the best-selling author of The Drunkard’s Walk and coauthor of The Grand Design (with Stephen Hawking), gives us a startling and eye-opening examination of how the unconscious mind shapes our experience of the world and how, for instance, we often misperceive our relationships with family, friends, and business associates, misunderstand the reasons for our investment decisions, and misremember important events.

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Taq
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Message 12 of 22 (692346)
03-01-2013 10:05 PM
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02-28-2013 8:20 PM


In the science fiction novel Tomorrow and Tomorrow by Charles Sheffields, humanity will evolve into composites where large numbers of people are linked together for problem solving purposes.
In the Neal Stephenson book "The Diamond Age" he uses the same concept. BTW, it's an awesome read and one of my faves.
I just got done reading an article on Slate that may have a counter to your proposal. Computers. We are already seeing computers find solutions to problems that we just don't understand, but are still true.
Will computers eventually make scientific discoveries we can’t comprehend?
We may already have the parallel processing necessary.
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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Message 13 of 22 (692351)
03-01-2013 11:07 PM
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03-01-2013 10:05 PM


One of my all time favorite books! There are a bunch of very inovative ideas. Neal predicted tablets (on steroids) in Diamond Age.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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NoNukes
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Message 14 of 22 (692354)
03-01-2013 11:29 PM
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03-01-2013 9:19 PM


Re: Quite.
But in addition to, and to some extent because of, there is the subtle Directed Evolution that is at work, pushing us together.
Is this stuff even remotely on topic? Please take this to PM.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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kofh2u
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Message 15 of 22 (692383)
03-02-2013 10:25 AM
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03-01-2013 11:29 PM


AKA topic is... "COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS"...
Is this stuff even remotely on topic?
1) ?
2) Doesn't the Opening Post introduce EXACTLY the topics discussed here so far?
"Human composite aka oversoul aka superbrain aka overmind aka collective consciousness"....????
3) No Nuke, you have the potential to become a great Moderator, imho.
With your kind of keen eye for "Off Topic" posts, you would be perfect in that capacity.

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