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Author | Topic: Let The Debates Begin! Obama v Romney | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
onifre Member (Idle past 2951 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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Free Market versus Socialism? Socialism and the free market work just fine together, those aren't the options. This country has too many stupids and fearful retards to even consider a working system of socialism. Don't know why people keep mentioning it other than as a fear tactic. The problem is not free market vs socialism, it's to remove the public sector from.... Oh who gives a shit. - Oni
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Phat writes:
Hang on a sec. I thought you were a christian. By the very definition of that word, you follow christ's word, right? Obamacare has cost my union health insurance more in that they now have to insure a wider pool of people than they did before... Blah, why do I even bother....?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
If what Phat says is true, I don't see why it would be unchristian to say it.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Wasn't it on yesterday/last night?
What happened? The impression I get is that US presidential debates are highly choreographed and stage managed affairs rather than genuine full-on debates and that it is more a question of whether anyone will make some sort of blunder or gaffe that can be analysed to death by the news networks. Given the lack of hysterical coverage here I am assuming that no blunders or gaffes occurred.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I watched the debates. Obama appeared to get his head handed to him on style points. Obama knew inside and out what Romney's plans were and where they would lead the country, but Obama seemed taken aback when Romney simply lied and denied. Romney's plan was untenable, but Obama seemed clueless on how to communicate this to the audience without tutoring them like a law professor.
Romney did an excellent job of calling out Obama for choices like investing 90 billion dollars worth of investments in green energy, while defending tax breaks for oil companies. Romney seemed likeable, while Obama appeared irritated and to simply to want to be somewhere else. In my opinion, Obama missed a huge chance to end this election on the spot. Now the future debates, and even the vice presidential debates matter. I would expect that the Republican base was fully energized. This was the best I've ever seen Romney look, ever.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. It's not too late to register to vote. State Registration Deadlines
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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It was just kind of boring, really; Obama passed on a lot of what were seen as opportunities to attack Romney, but didn't really give Romney much of a chance to use any of his prepared "zingers." Jim Leher couldn't keep control of the proceedings, with the result that Romney basically walked off with the show.
The general consensus is that this is a "win" for Romney, but with Obama has such a tremendous lead that unless Romney changed the game, he lost. And despite what people are thinking is a tepid performance, Obama denied Romney the game-changer. So nothing happened. Boring. Probably the highlight of the night was the CNN "fact-check" that basically said that if you take Romney at his word, his claims are true.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
In my opinion, Obama missed a huge chance to end this election on the spot. What? That makes no sense. It's not like Romney can drop out of the election, there's no "end" except voting in November. And Obama already had a lead so large that it's going to take a major event to upset the inevitable Obama victory. And Romney didn't get it. The election is exactly as "over" as it possibly could be. What didn't Obama do? Make the obvious attacks that the Romney team was prepared for? Did you hear Romney's line of attack on how Romneycare wasn't exactly like the ACA? It was rehearsed and potentially devastatingly effective - it's possible that the Obama team won't be able to equate them anymore. Do you really believe they didn't have something like that on "47%"? On "Etch-a-Sketch"? On Bain Capital? The smartest thing Obama did all night was avoid those lines of attack, neutralizing Romney's chance to respond to them. People wanted to see blood, but they seem to have forgotten that Obama wins in the long game, because he lets his opponents knock themselves out. Obama's not the guy who ends the election in a single stroke because he knows elections don't ever work like that. They go until the vote.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
What? That makes no sense. It's not like Romney can drop out of the election, there's no "end" except voting in November. Of course the election is in November. But that is scarcely a month away. That huge lead you talk about really consists of 5-6 points in a handful of states. Overcoming that is doable. In my opinion, Obama could have closed out the race last night. I expect turnout for the upcoming election to be poor, and if Romney had gotten anything but a huge win in the debate last night, I think we could have counted on a de-energized base for Romney. Instead I think we have the opposite. Let's see if there is a significant closing of the gap over the next weeks worth of polling. In my opinion, Obama frittered away a good portion of his lead last night. I'm still optimistic about the final result, but Romney clearly did himself a lot of good last night.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. It's not too late to register to vote. State Registration Deadlines
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
That huge lead you talk about really consists of 5-6 points in a handful of states. Overcoming that is doable. But every day Romney doesn't overcome it, it becomes harder and harder to.
In my opinion, Obama could have closed out the race last night. How, specifically? Making the attacks that Romney had spent weeks prepping for? You heard him on Romneycare, right? Don't you think he had a million of those? And how is the election not every bit as "closed out" as it could possibly be?
Instead I think we have the opposite. Let's see it last through two more debates. Obama plays the long game, remember?
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Have polls in the US ever been significantly wrong regarding an eventual actual presidential result?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1407 From: usa Joined: |
Oni writes: Oh who gives a shit? It's tiresome, ain't it?
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Absolutely.
Dewey Defeats Truman!Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Have polls in the US ever been significantly wrong regarding an eventual actual presidential result? In 1980 Carter was leading Reagan by a significant amount at this point.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
As our resident right-winger what did you make of the debate? Did you see it? Is Romney the man for you?
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onifre Member (Idle past 2951 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Have polls in the US ever been significantly wrong regarding an eventual actual presidential result? The person that wins is the person who invested the most moeny in their campaign. It's all in the advertising. Follow those numbers and you'll have your winner. - Oni
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