Did Jesus lie ?

I lost my faith for some time. I reread a lot of the new testament with no preconceived notions and I honestly believe Jesus.I think you read the Bible with the preconceived notion that we was a liar.I also think its possible for people to read the Bible without preconceived notions and see that what Jesus said was truth and that he did not lie. Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic Warning

Interesting.I would have thought you would say He was speaking of the Ascension when He talked of coming into His kingdom in which case there is no conflict at all with what he said.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Eh? There are varying degrees of lies? Good chance of it. You would think He would have addressed His audience in a way that they would understand, after all isn't that what the parables do? Which means exactly what to a first century Jew?Brian.

I don't think that is possible. not at all. I really couldn't care less about what Jesus said. I read the words, then look at the evidence, and it all points to porky pies. Only if they do not have a critical mind.Brian. Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic Warning

Two possibilities other than lying look realistic:1. Jesus meant what he said. He was just mistaken.2. Jesus didn't say it. The writer did.Neither option will appeal much to a devout inerrantist. There remains the possibility of rationalizing the statement through other means:3. Some people really didn't die.4. The kingdom came.Either may be combined with this one:5. He was speaking metaphorically.My money would be on Option #2. This brand of eschatology flourished in the decades immediately after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 ACE. That corresponds to the time most of the NT documents were penned._Edited by Archer Opterix, : Brevity.Edited by Archer Opterix, : Brevity.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

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What do you think Jesus meant?

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what exactly do you mean by 'spiritual death' ?and what makes you think that's what he meant ?

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Mt 16:28 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

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Sounds good.I don't even know what I'm typing about anymore. Me and Brian were typing about death. I should think before I type. Actually, I should probably just get back to work and stop slacking on the internet. Especially if I'm posting complete bullshit.

I don't think that Jesus meant that He would return that early. Depending on which contradictory account you take as Gospel, I dont think the majority of Jesus audience would have died before the Ascension.I suppose for this scenario you should go with the Acts 1:9-12 version as it gives you about 6 weeks more time than the Luke 24:50-51 version which has Jesus acsending on the same day as the resurrection.But I think the ascension was too soon to be what Jesus was on about here. There are more problems with this scenario as well, but I am off out, big pool match tonight and I need to get a few frames under my belt.Brian.

Don't worry about it, Popes have been doing it for more than 16 centuries.Brian. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

This has nothing to do with Jesus ascending into his kingdom but is an eschatological verse. Jesus predicting the coming of the kingdom of God.The preceding verse (16:27) says as much:

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For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

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Also, the parallel passage in Luke makes it clear:"...there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God. (Luke 9:27)"Jesus, once again, expects to physically be with his disciples after his kingdom is established. It explains why he was so disappointed when, on the cross, he realised it was not going to happen! (Matt 27:46)

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

I think it was no 1.In the synoptic gospels he doesn't come across as a liar but as a passionate, caring preacher who believed in what he said. As it happened, he was wrong. Hey, he was only human after all so who can blame him? Paul's letters contain significant eschatological references and they were written much earlier than 70 AD which lends more credence to my hypothesis that Jesus really did say and expect the kingdom of God to be established during this generation.

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

John 3:1616 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.Clearly some perish, and some continue living. Basic stuff here, no apologetics, and no contortionist, just plain truth. If you think I am apologizing for you not understanding the bible, and taking even a step beyond to down right insulting droves of people, your out of your mind. You should be smart enough to piece this together, and know what Jesus taught us is truth.You've even start to admit it yourself, when we started discussing about lying. It's all in you Brian, you just have to tap into it. Every excuse you make does not justify away what is truth, and then you take the responsibility of trying to convince others of your dellusions. Genesis 6:3
Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years." We are still not finished going through those cities.Another way of looking at it is that we are the new Jerusalem, so the cities/people are endless.However that verse would seem to contradict this verse:

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Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

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So one one hand He is saying the gospel will not be preached before the end, and the other hand He says it will. So obviously we don't understand what He meant. This does not make Him a liar. Your evidence of Him being a liar is not beyond a shadow of a doubt. You have to take the whole bible into consideration when making these accusations.The NIV study bible explains that 10:23 verse as this:
Jesus' saying here is probably best understood as referring to his coming in judgement on the Jews when Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed in A.D.70.Just because we don't understand what He meant by what He said does not make Him a liar.You are acting a literalist. You are more concerned with the actual words of the bible, instead of the word of God, and having the Holy Spirit speak to your heart, and let you know what is meant. This is a problem?Only to those people who preach rapture BS.I will live my life like He is coming tomorrow, and 1000 years from now. My only concern is the next generation after me.

Well put.

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Mt 16:28 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

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John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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Given the unfamiliarity of Jesus and the disciples with Johannine theology what makes you think that they would have understood him talking about a spiritual death rather then a physical one ?

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

I was under the impression that everyone was blessed/cursed with eternal life...it is just the destination that is in contention.