Universe Race

You've been told multiple times: THE SINGULARITY IS NOT A PHYSICAL OBJECT. GR breaks down because the math produces a singularity at T=0, the singularity is a mathematical concept.

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Remember that scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail where the father is trying to get the guards to guard his son? That's what this conversation is reminding of.

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DrJones, The math breaks down and can't say anything.Only your assumption produces a singularity.Present evidence not assertions.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

No. The math produces the singularity. The singularity is the outcome of the math at T=0 and this is why we can say that the math breaks down.

I'm surprised that those of you who've been in this thread long term don't have severe brain trauma caused by repeatedly bashing your heads against the brick wall.

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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

DrJones, Would you care to refute:The page you were looking for doesn't exist (404) Penrose and Hawking proved there SHOULD be a singularity in our PAST.Notice: They did not prove there was a singularity in our past. Hawking said Gr can't predict the universe.Or do you just intend to blow smoke?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Jesus christ...you haven't learned a damned thing in this entire thread. A singularity is not a physical object, and neither is it a state of the universe, it's what we call the breakdown of the math. Weve told you this a dozen times in this very thread.Ive come to the conclusion that it isnt worth talking to you regarding any science topics - you arent capable of learning even the most basic definitions, and insist that every hole in your understanding (a list of which would fill libraries) is a major gap in the actual theory.Your face belongs right next to tesla's in the Fractally Wrong entry.

You don’t get it because you’re trying so very hard not to get it.Your objections are strange. Just really, really strange.“I could understand how increased mass could condense.” Is a meaningless sentence.“It would react with it’s energy conditions into matter of a denser form.” is not only meaningless, but requires you to invent a physics (not to mention an English) for a learning aid.You keep saying the maths this and the maths that , but exhibit no apparent understanding of even the simplest concepts. You keep saying new variables are being ignored without mentioning a single new idea to consider.Another analogy: We attempt to understand the workings of an automobile. Some are discussing shock resonance inside the combustion chambers. Others examine drive line forces. I sit around giggling because it’s Yugo and someone has turbo charged it. You have a broken Pez dispenser from the glove compartment, a small tear in the vinyl upholstery, and a service spare. With your sundry evidences you claim everyone else is talking bollix, because the properties of the service spare when considered with the new variable of the nonfunctional Pez thrust mechanism, would require a general discontinuity of point conditional theories.A meaningless statement does not gain from the quantity of detail. Stuff in the Universe is not a result of its being possible to us. No one has claimed for themselves to have all the answers, and surely no one has accused you of it. But: Could you name a single person who has hinted at a denial of any theory of science not being tentative? Cogito ergo sum; all else is tentative, but we all understand this so it’s a bit of a rhythm breaker to have to say so after every assertion. Especially when those assertions are backed up with more evidence than any of use would ever be able to examine individually.It is not we who are failing to grasp the thread.

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Kindly******Fishing for complements without bait.

Rahvin answered you much more politely than I would.

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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

Hi Rahvin,I am not claiming the singularity is anything.I am saying it don't exist.I am presenting Hawking and Penrose testimony as evidence.Unless you assume a singularity,Unless you assume a pea sized universe,There is nothing to expand.Either refute the evidence or pass the baton.Your continual assertions just will not convince me.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Frustrating isn't it?Regarding singularities and the like, it's totally analogous to what I told Straggler here: http://EvC Forum: What is science? (ROB and STRAGGLER only) -->EvC Forum: What is science? (ROB and STRAGGLER only)Rob:

You and ICANT are playing this game of...You guys: What about A?
Us: Well, A is this...
You guys: What about B?
Us: Well, B is this...
You guys: What about C?
Us: Well, C is this...
You guys: What about A?
Us: We've already answered this, but here it is again...
You guys: What about B?
Us: We've already answered this, but here it is again...
You guys: What about C?
Us: We've already answered this, but here it is again...
You guys: What about A?
Us: We've already answered this, but here it is again...
You guys: What about B?
Us: We've already answered this, but here it is again...
You guys: What about C?You guys: What about A?
Us: Screw you, we've already answered this many times before...
You guys: Since you guys can't answer A, therefore, God is the only answer.Back to the BB, there are direct observable evidence for it. We've already told you a kazillion times what these are. If you don't know the direct evidence that we have of the BB by now, you will never get it.

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Thou shalt accept Prometheus as thy savior for HE is the true light of Humanity and the World.

For those that would like to understand better the difference between an expanding universe and simple relative motion between the galaxies, there is a good explanation here. Note that you can always pass from one point of view to the other through a change of coordinates, but that change of coordinates is valid only locally and that's why the former point of view is to be prefered when talking about the whole universe.

Hi Taz, Taz I tell you there is a God. You say prove it. I say you have to believe it by faith. You say yea more fairy tales.Now you and many others on here have told me several times the singularity is a not a physical thing. OKI have been told several times there is a universe about the size of a pea that expanded into the universe as we know it. I say oh yea where did it come from.I have been told we don't know. We just know that it is. I say well prove it.Then I am told we have done that a kazillion times. I say to that would you please reference one of those times.Better yet how about refuting the evidence I presented in Message 375God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Rob, Sometimes but I would say, I feel more pathetic than frustrated.Tunnel vision is a terrible disease.The worst part is I believe the universe came into existence Instantaneously.I believe the universe expanded because God stretched out the heavens.I know I believe this by faith.Everybody that keeps trying to correct my belief keeps telling me they have evidence for the creation and the expansion.When in reality all they have is faith it took place as they think it did.God Bless and keep up the good work,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."