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RAZD
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Message 121 of 204 (337072)
07-31-2006 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by riVeRraT
07-31-2006 8:38 AM


Re: evil
Then that makes a whole lot a people schizonphrenic ...
A possibility. There is a measurable brain pattern associated with religious behavior (prayer\meditation\etc) so it could also be a condition that is {brought on\encouraged} in some.
Or it could be the other way around. People who you think are schizophrenic, are actually hearing from God, and you suffer from another condition which prevents you from actually seeing spiritual stuff, or hearing from God.
Also a possiblity, but remember that this occurs in ALL religions. It may be a communication, but the receiving hardware is not capable of "getting" the complete message and makes a hash of it. -- static\noise ignored?
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inkorrekt
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Message 122 of 204 (337085)
07-31-2006 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Faith
07-27-2006 2:24 PM


God always answers. He always talks to us.
3 years ago, I was facing a very difficult situation. I felt like sitting in a box. I could not even pray. Oppression was so heavy. At that time, I was in a supermarket. In my desperation, I cried out,"GOD, where are you"? I turned around an aisle. In front of me, there was an angel waiting for me. It was a 2 year old girl dressed just like an angel. She came to me and began to talk. I did not understand her baby talk. But, she talked to me. I told her that she was pretty and walked away. She did not leave me. She came towards me again and began to talk. I ws shocked. Of all the people, why did she chose me? There was no reason for her to chase me twice. Her mother was telling her to leave people alone. She defied her mother's orders. Why? It was God who answered my cry and sent this angel to cheer me up. The moment I realized this I hugged this little angel and said good bye to her. Then, I went back to her mother and explained what happened.
If you are an atheist, you may say this was a rare coincidence. Why would she pick me up of all the people? Why did she chase me twice? This was not a rare coincidence.But, it was God's appointment. When God answers, He defies the natural order. This little angel defied her mother to cheer me up.
Another incident: I had few german friends. Oneday, my friend's wife was prompted to go to a house and give certain amount of money to the man. She looked for the address and knocked at the door. The man came and opened the door. She told him that the Lord sent her to give that money. That is exactly the same amount of money he desperately needed. He was shocked. He did not understand anything. Later, she explained what happened. This man desperately needed this money (Exact amount).He could not understand how she know the home address and the exact amount of money she needed. She talked to him about God and this man became a believer.

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robinrohan
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Message 123 of 204 (337144)
08-01-2006 5:04 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by nator
07-31-2006 7:52 PM


Re: touchy
I expect them to say what their religious affiliation is, if any, and it seems that they have done that.
Their replies are mostly automatic. It means nothing.

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Faith 
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Message 124 of 204 (337153)
08-01-2006 7:13 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by inkorrekt
07-31-2006 10:16 PM


Re: God always answers. He always talks to us.
Thank you for those stories. I know the little angel was God's appointment.

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riVeRraT
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Message 125 of 204 (337163)
08-01-2006 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by RAZD
07-31-2006 9:35 PM


Re: evil
There is a measurable brain pattern associated with religious behavior
I sure would hope so.
The question is, does this have anything to do with schizophrenia?
Also a possiblity, but remember that this occurs in ALL religions. It may be a communication, but the receiving hardware is not capable of "getting" the complete message and makes a hash of it. -- static\noise ignored?
Absolutely. It is extremely difficult to hear from God. It all starts with your character, then goes from there. For me it is usually the first thought I recieve, then the second thought is my flesh trying to rationalize the first thought away. The first thought has to go through all the BS that is our brains, and life. Remember His ways are not our ways, so it is not natural thinking.

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nator
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Message 126 of 204 (337173)
08-01-2006 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by robinrohan
08-01-2006 5:04 AM


Re: touchy
quote:
Their replies are mostly automatic.
And how do you know this?
Besides that, are you saying that no one is to be believed when they tell another what their religious identification is?
For example, when you say that you do not believe in God, you are answering automatically and it is meaningless? And when Faith says that she is a Christian, she is not to be believed, and that it is meaningles that she states this?
Why, then, is there a difference in the percentage of Christians and Atheists in the prison population compared to the general population?
Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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robinrohan
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Message 127 of 204 (337184)
08-01-2006 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by nator
08-01-2006 9:34 AM


Re: touchy
And how do you know this?
I know this from my wide experience of human nature from all walks of life. Many people, if asked, will say they believe in God, but this so-called belief does not affect their lives one iota. They live as though god did not exist.
It sounds better (in our culture) to say you believe in God.

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iano
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Message 128 of 204 (337187)
08-01-2006 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by robinrohan
08-01-2006 10:31 AM


Re: touchy
95% of Ireland decribes itself as Christian. Ask the average person what the gospel is and they will tell you "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John". Is that what you mean?
many people, if asked, will say they believe in God, but this so-called belief does not affect their lives one iota. They live as though god did not exist.
Agnostics, who say they know not either way and claim to sit on the fence do precisely the same thing. "Having your cake and eating it" we call it this side of the pond

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RickJB
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Message 129 of 204 (337188)
08-01-2006 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by inkorrekt
07-31-2006 10:16 PM


Re: God always answers. He always talks to us.
inkorrect writes:
It was God who answered my cry and sent this angel to cheer me up.
No, it was a little kid messing around on a shopping trip with her mother. They're so common in my local store you have to work hard not to trip over them...

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RickJB
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Message 130 of 204 (337190)
08-01-2006 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by iano
08-01-2006 10:43 AM


Re: touchy
iano writes:
Agnostics, who say they know not either way and claim to sit on the fence do precisely the same thing. "Having your cake and eating it" we call it this side of the pond
Why "having your cake and eating it"? Agnostics are no more concerned about God's judgement than Atheists...
And if one is a deist, why should one submit to one particular interpretation of God (and morality) as dictated by a bunch of folk with a book?
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iano
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From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 131 of 204 (337201)
08-01-2006 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by RickJB
08-01-2006 10:57 AM


Re: touchy
Why "having your cake and eating it"? Agnostics are no more concerned about God's judgement than Atheists...
That was the point I was making. The sitting-on-the-fence stance is an illusion. An agnostic is an athiest for all practical purposes

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RickJB
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Message 132 of 204 (337205)
08-01-2006 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by iano
08-01-2006 11:39 AM


Re: touchy
iano writes:
The sitting-on-the-fence stance is an illusion.
Ah, I see what you mean. You do have a point. In may ways the agnostic position is really just a debating defense. It's handy just in case someone asks you to "show God doesn't exist".
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iano
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From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 133 of 204 (337217)
08-01-2006 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by RickJB
08-01-2006 11:53 AM


Re: touchy
Ah, I see what you mean. You do have a point. In may ways the agnostic position is really just a debating defense. It's handy just in case someone asks you to "show God doesn't exist".
Exactly. And one can sit on the fence and throw rocks down at whoever one choses (although given it is really athiesm by another name, it is usually the believers who get the bumps on their head).
Agnosticism: the philosophical equivilent of bisexuality: you can have it any which way you like

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robinrohan
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Message 134 of 204 (337228)
08-01-2006 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by iano
08-01-2006 10:43 AM


Christianity in the British Isles
95% of Ireland decribes itself as Christian
I thought they had vacated the churches.
Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

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NosyNed
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Message 135 of 204 (337230)
08-01-2006 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by robinrohan
08-01-2006 1:29 PM


Re: Christianity in the British Isles
95% declaring itself Christian and the churchs being vacated are not necessarily statements that contradict each other in anyway.

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