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Faith 
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Message 91 of 239 (327038)
06-28-2006 2:12 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by lfen
06-28-2006 2:02 AM


Re: maybe a working prototype is on its way
The shape of the ark is not given, {edit: Shape meaning things like rounding and tapering it for seaworthiness} only the dimensions. If you were to try to build from such directions, how could you guarantee the outcome? I think it's amazing that someone is willing to attempt a 1/5 scale model and take it onto water. By the look of the picture he's being creative about the design where there are no explicit instructions available. The general size/proportions of the thing is similar to some modern battleships. There's no reason it couldn't be made seaworthy simply using current knowledge, but again, instructions are not given in the Bible. Was it just a rectangular box? Hard to know.
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RickJB
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Message 92 of 239 (327056)
06-28-2006 4:21 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by iano
06-27-2006 10:28 PM


Re: Water Water everywhere, yet not a drop to drink!
Why should anyone believe this story?
Because the Bible tells me so.
I didn't think you carried your faith THIS far, Iano!

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deerbreh
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Message 93 of 239 (327095)
06-28-2006 9:00 AM
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06-28-2006 12:43 AM


Re: Water Water everywhere, yet not a drop to drink!
What you have described (no food for the animals after the flood)is what would have been the situation in any case, hibernation or no hibernation.
Exactly. The situation would have been dire without stored food on the ark. So instead of a year's supply we are talking conservatively of a need for an 18 month to 24 month supply. It makes it even tougher for the apologists. Well, at least the animals are pooping outside now that the Flood is over. Maybe they composted the stored poop - maybe the ark became one giant compost bin and they used the compost to help get the food plants going again. But wait, the ark is on top of the mountain where it is cold - that is why they didn't need freezers to store the meat, right? - so they would have had to haul the compost down the mountain to a warmer climate. Drat, all of these "inconvenient truths" make it hard to be a Flood apologist.

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CK
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Message 94 of 239 (327097)
06-28-2006 9:03 AM


Construction of the ark
Please take detailed discussion of the ark and it's construction and so on to this new thread:
http://EvC Forum: The Ark - materials, construction and seaworthness -->EvC Forum: The Ark - materials, construction and seaworthness

  
iano
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Message 95 of 239 (327098)
06-28-2006 9:03 AM
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06-28-2006 4:21 AM


Re: Water Water everywhere, yet not a drop to drink!
I don't carry my faith - my faith carries me

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Brian
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Message 96 of 239 (327140)
06-28-2006 11:13 AM
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06-27-2006 7:52 PM


Re: Water Water everywhere, yet not a drop to drink!
I didn't say it rained sea water, but the water from the seas must have mixed in with all the fresh water as the entire earth was flooded.
Your 'layer of fresh water' on top of the seas is falsified by the biblical texts that claim undersea fountains gushed water as well.
I have some beautiful tropical fish that take quite a bit of looking after, God knows where Naoh got all the aquariums, airpumps, filters, to keep these babies alive.
Brian.

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Faith 
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Message 97 of 239 (327187)
06-28-2006 12:49 PM
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06-28-2006 11:13 AM


Re: Water Water everywhere, yet not a drop to drink!
Your 'layer of fresh water' on top of the seas is falsified by the biblical texts that claim undersea fountains gushed water as well.
Wouldn't one assume the rainwater was collected in vessels of some sort?
However, again, according to some creationists, and it makes sense to me, there is no reason to think the ocean was salty at the time. Which I also said in Message 83
I have some beautiful tropical fish that take quite a bit of looking after, God knows where Naoh got all the aquariums, airpumps, filters, to keep these babies alive.
I think we have to assume that God made sure some sea life survived without the ark.
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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 98 of 239 (327198)
06-28-2006 1:25 PM
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06-28-2006 12:49 PM


Re: Water Water everywhere, yet not a drop to drink!
However, again, according to some creationists, and it makes sense to me, there is no reason to think the ocean was salty at the time. Which I also said in
Not possible... as has been explained many times in this thread and others.
I think we have to assume that God made sure some sea life survived without the ark.
Ahhh, now we see the only real argument here - it was MAGIC!

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Message 99 of 239 (327206)
06-28-2006 1:41 PM
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06-28-2006 1:25 PM


Re: Water Water everywhere, yet not a drop to drink!
Not to mention, iano has pumps taking out sewage, and faith has the flood full of a geologic column's worth of mud. Can't see where this would be any more potable than salt water.

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Faith 
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Message 100 of 239 (327266)
06-28-2006 4:36 PM
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06-28-2006 1:25 PM


Re: Water Water everywhere, yet not a drop to drink!
Not possible... as has been explained many times in this thread and others.
I missed the "explanation." Could you direct me to it?

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Faith 
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Message 101 of 239 (327267)
06-28-2006 4:37 PM
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06-28-2006 1:41 PM


Re: Water Water everywhere, yet not a drop to drink!
Good point. I guess it was stored water and rainwater then.

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Brian
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Message 102 of 239 (327433)
06-29-2006 9:04 AM
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06-28-2006 12:49 PM


Re: Water Water everywhere, yet not a drop to drink!
I think we have to assume that God made sure some sea life survived without the ark.
Not very scientific though is it?
From a scientific viewpoint, wouldn't an explanatory hypothesis be required to be falsifiable?
Brian.

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iano
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Message 103 of 239 (327444)
06-29-2006 10:03 AM
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06-29-2006 9:04 AM


Like a fish out of water
Maybe I'm being a bit simple here - correct me if I am being. But why is there a need to take fish into the ark.
quote:
"I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth”men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air”for I am grieved that I have made them."
There is nothing concrete elsewhere in the text to suggest aquatic life is included in the project. No wonder: how do you kill all aquatic life using water as a medium of destruction?
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RickJB
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Message 104 of 239 (327445)
06-29-2006 10:10 AM
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06-28-2006 12:49 PM


Re: Water Water everywhere, yet not a drop to drink!
faith writes:
There is no reason to think the ocean was salty at the time.

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JonF
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Message 105 of 239 (327447)
06-29-2006 10:13 AM
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06-29-2006 10:03 AM


Re: Like a fish out of water
how do you kill all aquatic life using water as a medium of destruction?
Easy. 99.999999% of aquatic life lives only within a narrow range of salinity and light conditions. But those appropriate salinity and light conditions vary widely. With the entire globe a sheet of water, there wouldn't be anywhere near enough variation. Basically, you kill all the freshwater organisms or you kill all the saltwater organisms. (Itr's really more complex than that, e.g. the coral can't survive the depth, but that's the basic story).

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