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nator
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Message 106 of 134 (264975)
12-02-2005 7:31 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Silent H
12-01-2005 3:33 PM


Re: Information, Relationship and Expression
I have seen many teenagers both male and female who are but 13-15 years old and already have a kid! They are locked up and the state ends up taking care of both 13 year old parent and child!
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Why should this situation pose a problem to a person in a first world country? Not the locking up part, but the age part. The fact that what you suggest is a result is an indictment of how we as a society handle pregnancy, rather than anything about pregnancy.
If she's old enough to bleed, she's old enough to breed, holmes?
There's lots of medical reasons that it's a bad idea for young girls to be having babies aside from the societal issues. They and their babies are at greater risk for all sorts of problems.
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Teen mothers are more likely than mothers over age 20 to give birth prematurely (before 37 completed weeks of pregnancy). In 2002, the 7,315 girls under age 15 who gave birth were more than twice as likely to deliver prematurely than women ages 30 to 34 (21 vs. 9 percent).2 Babies born too soon face an increased risk of newborn health problems and even death, as well as lasting disabilities.
Teen Mother’s Health Affects Her Baby
Teens too often have poor eating habits, neglect to take their vitamins, and may smoke, drink alcohol and take drugs, increasing the risk that their babies will be born with health problems. Studies also show that teens are less likely than older women to be of adequate pre-pregnancy weight and/or to gain an adequate amount of weight during pregnancy (25 to 35 pounds is recommended for women of normal weight). Low weight gain increases the risk of having a low-birthweight baby (less than 5 pounds).
Pregnant teens are more likely to smoke than pregnant women over age 25. In 2002, 13.4 percent of pregnant teens ages 15 to 17 and 18.2 percent of those ages 18 to 19 smoked, compared to 11.4 of all pregnant women.2 Smoking doubles a woman’s risk of having a low-birthweight baby, and also increases the risk of pregnancy complications, premature birth and stillbirth.
A teenage mother is at greater risk than women over age 20 for pregnancy complications such as premature labor, anemia and high blood pressure. These risks are even greater for teens who are under 15 years old.2 These youngest mothers also may be more than twice as likely to die of pregnancy complications than mothers ages 20 to 24.3

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Funkaloyd
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Message 107 of 134 (264981)
12-02-2005 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by nator
12-02-2005 7:31 AM


Re: Information, Relationship and Expression
Most of that seems to back up the claim that the only problems with teenage sex (or pregnancy in particular) are social, not physical, in nature.

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Silent H
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Message 108 of 134 (264999)
12-02-2005 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by nator
12-02-2005 7:31 AM


Re: Information, Relationship and Expression
I'm sorry, are you talking to me? Are you attempting to build an argument with evidence and logic and so it is something I should take as more than mere opinion, or is everything you have to say mere opinion?
You still need to get your act straight and let me know where you stand on the point of debate.
If she's old enough to bleed, she's old enough to breed, holmes?
Dial a cliche, hey its schraf!
There's lots of medical reasons that it's a bad idea for young girls to be having babies aside from the societal issues. They and their babies are at greater risk for all sorts of problems.
You mean based on stats from a study done in one year, pretty much in one culture has allowed you to determine there's LOTS of medical reasons its a bad idea for young girls to be having babies? Greater risks for ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS?
Lets see, where to begin on deconstructing your usual hit and run approach to knowledge regarding sexuality...
1) The study used is limited in scope and results filtered through the assumption that it is bad and should be limited, rather than from objective attempts to understand risks associated with age and childbirth.
2) The article you quoted did not discuss mechanisms so as to remove societal effects and indeed goes on to discuss social issues regarding teens, not inherent age issues, such as...
Teens too often have poor eating habits, neglect to take their vitamins, and may smoke, drink alcohol and take drugs, increasing the risk that their babies will be born with health problems...
Pregnant teens are more likely to smoke than pregnant women over age 25. In 2002, 13.4 percent of pregnant teens ages 15 to 17 and 18.2 percent of those ages 18 to 19 smoked, compared to 11.4 of all pregnant women.2 Smoking doubles a woman’s risk of having a low-birthweight baby, and also increases the risk of pregnancy complications, premature birth and stillbirth.
Can you not see the vast difference between what you promised this article would show and what it in fact does show?
3) Skewed statistics are used to present more dramatic conclusions...
girls under age 15 who gave birth were more than twice as likely to deliver prematurely than women ages 30 to 34 (21 vs. 9 percent)
Did you not ask yourself why they would compare girls under 15 with women between 30-34? Why such a small and select group? If the point is about underage being worse, shouldn't it be against all ages above a certain line?
If you look at the article you will note that more than once they shift age ranges under observation. Nowhere are inherent age related mechanisms in any of those ranges discussed.
4) Inconsistent conclusions being drawn from the stats. You nor they have described what stats are important to determine whether something is a problem for a group of people within a demographic, especially that it would allow proscriptions to be invoked (moral or legal) rather than simply advocating greater medical precautions during such pregnancies.
What do you think will happen when stats are analyzed across race, or wealth, or... even more intriguing... the converse of young mothers? What is the effect of greater age on birth risks for both mother and child? Are you thinking these other demographics should be condemned or reduced should they share similar risk percentages? If not, why not?
5) Although the article suggests greater risk to the children, it does not suggest much risk to the young mother, and indeed not a huge risk to the children. Just because something is twice the risk as in another group, does not make the risk that much greater. LOTS of medical reasons are not apparent within the article, unless you care to define LOTS in some convenient way?
As ever schraf, as ever.
This message has been edited by holmes, 12-02-2005 08:34 AM

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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Christian7
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Message 109 of 134 (265140)
12-02-2005 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by nwr
12-01-2005 10:41 PM


Re: Who are you?
MY ANGER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Christian7
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Message 110 of 134 (265141)
12-02-2005 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Silent H
12-02-2005 5:01 AM


If you haven't had sex and have felt no love, how on earth would you know the connection between the two?
Why do love and sex have two different words? Love being of its own and sexual desire being lust.
Lust and Love are both desires but they are completley seperate and science has shown that the systems involved are completley different as well.
Why is that you say I've felt no love?
Here's a news flash at 14 you really shouldn't be so angry and hateful about sex.
My anger has nothing to do with sex.
I don't care if you decide not to have it or avoid porn, but it is unhealthy to feel anger and sickness when you encounter it.
Ussually, I don't care about it. I am not angry or sick or anything when someone says it. I simply don't care. I'll just get away from them.
However it the presence of judgmental people like Pastor Ed, I have no idea how to react, so because I wish not to react to it to avoid judgement I show reaction.
You say you "have heard" that porn leads to addiction which leads to rape. Unfortunately there is no data to back that claim up. Go ahead and look. And in fact if you look such studies up you may begin to find that a contrary statistic exists. Rapists and murderers have anger problems, and many were taught to be negative about sex while growing up. Thus they lost something that was heatlthy and positive, only understanding to feel hate and sickness toward something that is crucial to good relationships and feelings of self worth.
Yea, marital relationships, not this "Yo ur hot let's go have sex ok it's over now I am gona go hump someone else" bull.
No joke, from what you write, you appear to be a greater candidate for turning into a rapist or murderer than someone who simply says "i like porn".
Yea, well if I do turn into a murderer, Pastor Ed will be my first victim. But I will NOT turn into a murderer.
That doesn't even make sense. My criticism was that you keep making assertions. That is not a potato patato thing.
I read your later post and I think I've lost interest in discussing anything with you. Apparently you are young and speak as a child and are as yet not ready to put away childish things. You refuse to deal with what I say and instead throw only quips and assertions at me. For example...
Jesus said do not look lustfully at a woman.

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nwr
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Message 111 of 134 (265142)
12-02-2005 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Christian7
12-02-2005 7:41 PM


Anger
MY ANGER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You still need some anger management.

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Christian7
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Message 112 of 134 (265144)
12-02-2005 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by nwr
12-02-2005 8:05 PM


Re: Anger
You still need some anger management.
Which reminds me: I kicked a hole in the wall of my church last week. Actually I kicked another hole in it long before that.
So, why do you think I need anger management?

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nwr
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Message 113 of 134 (265145)
12-02-2005 8:21 PM
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12-02-2005 8:16 PM


Re: Anger
So, why do you think I need anger management?
Because you shouldn't be angry.
Sure, anyone can be briefly angry as a response to some provocation. But that should quickly dissipate. You shouldn't be angry enough to be mentioning that in your posts.
To much anger is not good for you.

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Christian7
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Message 114 of 134 (265148)
12-02-2005 8:35 PM
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12-02-2005 8:21 PM


Re: Anger
To much pain or hurt isn't good eitherehn;lkash;lkhd;alknslkmdnxc;kln!!!!!!!!JDJDJDJDJDJDJD0000jjjkj
jjkjkl;jp9u-=9ui

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bkelly
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Message 115 of 134 (265154)
12-02-2005 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by Christian7
12-02-2005 8:35 PM


What to do about the anger
Hello Guidosoft,
I see you have visited this site and thread but have not responded to my invitation. I have made an assumption and will toss out a possibility.
You are quite angry, and very young to be that angry. Something has caused this and there are not a lot of candidates. Your symptoms are not unusual for one who has been mistreated by his parents, guardians, or someone they respect. Let’s assume your parents. Unfortunately, this happens often in every city, in every state, in every country, under every religion. You are not alone.
Your behavior does not cause your parents to be angry with you. When you do things they do not like, they have the option of choosing how to respond to you. (Every child does things the parents don’t like. That is part of growing up.) The concept that you made them punish you is false. You behaved in a certain manner; they had many options to choose from; and they chose to behave as they did. They may well not be aware that they had a choice, but they did.
You are not at fault for their behavior. You are not responsible for their behavior. But you do need assistance in learning how to deal with their behavior.
I am out on a limb here, but if I have hit home, you might have something to gain from talking with me or someone else that may understand your position.
I want to hear from you,
Bkelly

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Christian7
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Posts: 628
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Message 116 of 134 (265155)
12-02-2005 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by bkelly
12-02-2005 9:14 PM


Re: What to do about the anger
kk what is yo email dress?
The problem is not my parents btw.
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AdminAsgara
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Message 117 of 134 (265156)
12-02-2005 9:22 PM
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12-02-2005 9:19 PM


Re: What to do about the anger
Guido, bk's email is hidden but he is in chat at the moment you could come in and ask him there.

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Christian7
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Message 118 of 134 (265158)
12-02-2005 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by AdminAsgara
12-02-2005 9:22 PM


Re: What to do about the anger
No because I hate the Java Runtime enviorment with all my heart and with all my soul and with all my strength and will all my mind and I hate Sun Microsystems as this is the 11th commandment.
My email address is xxxx. He can email me first.
This message has been edited by Guidosoft, 12-02-2005 09:28 PM
edited out obvious email for obvious reasons - The Queen
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bkelly
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Message 119 of 134 (265162)
12-02-2005 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by AdminAsgara
12-02-2005 9:22 PM


Re: What to do about the anger
contact made, cleaning up this message.
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Christian7
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Message 120 of 134 (265168)
12-02-2005 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by bkelly
12-02-2005 9:38 PM


Re: What to do about the anger
Response sent.

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