What is Liberal?

Yeah, only marriage doesn't define race, but it is between a man and a woman. Its been that way for the better part of 5,000 years.You are born with your race.You choose homosexuality.

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I helped scare an old person-I stopped someone from keeping more of their money-So what if people want to have say in the places they live and the cars that they drive-I gave money to an environmental group that helped keep us dependant on foreign oil-I help the enemies of democracy get stronger by telling them laws don’t matter-What if one day I need an abortion-Sex with an intern, everybody does it-I help teach kids around America that America is always wrongDo you know what your DNC stands for?

What if I want to marry more than one person of my choice?What if I want to marry my dog or my horse?Its my choice. That's real freedom. It would be bigoted of you to tell me otherwise.

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I helped scare an old person-I stopped someone from keeping more of their money-So what if people want to have say in the places they live and the cars that they drive-I gave money to an environmental group that helped keep us dependant on foreign oil-I help the enemies of democracy get stronger by telling them laws don’t matter-What if one day I need an abortion-Sex with an intern, everybody does it-I help teach kids around America that America is always wrongDo you know what your DNC stands for?

No, you don't, It's a fact. A very well established fact at that. You are just going to have to deal with it, I'm sorry.

That's a good question and as a matter of fact polygamy laws weren't institued untill the mormons came along. They were laws directly targeting the LDS. This is part of the reason they fled to Utah. Animals aren't "persons" in the constitutional definition. Thus they are not subject to the same rights aside from those granted to them under various animal protecting legislation.Further, animals cannot enter into a legaly binding documents since they don't have the cognative faculty to even understand what a legaly binding document is.

So, how old were you when you came home from school and told your parents "I've decided to be heterosexual!" Attraction isn't a choice. I can no more choose my sexuality than I can choose to be attracted to certain physical traits. Appeal to tradition fallacy. Being tradition doesn't make it right. Marriage was quite different even a few hundred hears ago, as well, in case you've forgotten.Wives were considered property, and marriages were done out of political convenience, to provide an heir for the family inheritance (if any), and for an additional family labor force. That was "traditional marriage" a few hundred years ago, before all of this talk about marriage being for "love" and spouses being "equal partners."Marriage's traditional definition didn't work as an excuse then, and it doesn't now. Marriage is a legal contract. An animal cannot enter a contract, becasue it cannot give consent. Polygamy opens various other legal headaches - marriage allows for exclusive rights to the spouse, which is not conducive to a polygamous marriage. The contract just doesn't work between multiple partners.It does, however, work between two homosexuals. You are bigoted to deny them the right to marry.Please leave your strawman arguments and red herrings at the door.

oceania has always been at war with eastasia. except for that bit where thomas jefferson says that it does? go back and look at the definition you just agreed with: they were interested in creating something that was not a religous state. the state and the religion were to be separated. the state would not condone one specific religion over any other, nor would it legislate what religions may or may not be practiced.the bit of confusion here is that almost no one in 18th century was atheist. they just didn't commonly exist. every founding father undoubtably believed in god. some were christians, others deists. but the state itself was not christian, nor deist. they had to allow for other religions: puritans, muslims, jews, catholics, anglicans, etc. or rather, practiced by members of our government. there is a difference here. and that difference is the separation of church and state -- abe lincoln may have prayed daily, and he may have signed the emancipation proclimation because his christian morality told him it was the right thing to do, but he never ran government like a church service, or defined a national religion.the us may be called a christian nation in that most of its citizens are (or at least were during this time) christians. but it is not a christian GOVERNMENT, a theocracy. see the difference?

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Need another reading lesson? I'm not telling you otherwise. By all means, marry as much livestock as you want.

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People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.

then you're probably gonna need some personal lubricant:

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By all means, don't list any sources or studies to back up your "well established fact."Let's see them.P.S.I know it is a choice because there are reformed homosexuals who have become christians and are now heterosexual.

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I helped scare an old person-I stopped someone from keeping more of their money-So what if people want to have say in the places they live and the cars that they drive-I gave money to an environmental group that helped keep us dependant on foreign oil-I help the enemies of democracy get stronger by telling them laws don’t matter-What if one day I need an abortion-Sex with an intern, everybody does it-I help teach kids around America that America is always wrongDo you know what your DNC stands for?

no no, that's totally a choice nowadays. heck, you can even change your mind about it later.

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Exactly.Examples of theocracies would include the Taliban and Dark Ages Europe. Those didn't work so well for freedom, did it?

sure they did. you were completely free to choose radical islamic fundamentalism under the taliban. and you know, women were free to do anythign they wanted, as long as it wasn't speaking or working, and they did it under a burkah.

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:/ TrueNow to my point of all of this. If you want something like gay marriage you need to do it the democratic way and put it up for a vote by the people. Once voted on by the people, the legislature can make law(s) on the subject.

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I helped scare an old person-I stopped someone from keeping more of their money-So what if people want to have say in the places they live and the cars that they drive-I gave money to an environmental group that helped keep us dependant on foreign oil-I help the enemies of democracy get stronger by telling them laws don’t matter-What if one day I need an abortion-Sex with an intern, everybody does it-I help teach kids around America that America is always wrongDo you know what your DNC stands for?

Top of the Google search reveals this.

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Most human sexuality researchers believe that one's orientation is fixed and unchangeable. Exceptions are those specialists in human sexuality who are also religious conservatives. Many of the latter are members of NARTH, a small professional organization that promotes conservative religious beliefs about homosexuality.

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In other words, unbiased researchers conclude that sexuality is NOT a choice. Religious conservative "scientists" conclude based on their preconceived notions.As to your "reformed" homosexuals:

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The success rate of these therapies in actually changing clients' sexual orientation appears to have been between 0% and something less than 0.1%. The success rate at changing clients' sexual behavior is much greater. Some of these techniques can persuade homosexuals to be celibate, either through terror, guilt, or persuasion that God considers same-sex behavior to be an abomination. They can persuade bisexuals to confine their sexual activities to members of the opposite sex. They may even be able to train gays to successfully have sex with a woman, while fantasize about making love to another man. But therapies do not seem to be capable of changing one's feelings -- one's sexual orientation -- in the vast majority of people.

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You know OF people who have been guilted, pressured, and brainwashed into SUPPRESSING their STILL EXISTING urges. That is all.

By all means, don't list any sources or studies to back up your "well established fact."Let's see them.

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People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.