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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5915 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
4pillars writes: 1) Science agrees that the 3 basic elements are necessary (Air, Dust & Water) for a physical form. And you disagree with science? I detect the presence of Loki
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4Pillars Inactive Member |
Albert Einstein, when asked his worse mistake, said that it was assuming that there was another force, besides Gravity, which could explain the Galaxies movements.
Today, Evolutionists are dumbfounded by the latest Hubble discoveries that Galaxies are increasing in speed. These arrogant evols /scientists are trying to say that Einstein was wrong about his worse mistake. They claim that there must be some Undetected, Undiscovered, Mysterious force which is causing the Galaxies to move apart at increasing Speed. The answer is that the 1st World was formed in the midst of the Waters, and our present World is formed in the midst of the Dust. The Galaxies are being drawn toward the larger mass of Dust which surrounds our World, and are increasing in speed as they approach the Firmament which surrounds our World. At the end of the present 6th Day, the Stars will fall from the Sky and brimstone, dust and fire, will fall from Heaven. Everyone will then know that the flawed assumptions of mortal men, who believe that some unseen, unknown, undiscovered force, is propelling these Galaxies apart is nothing short of biblical ignorance. Evolutionist could avoid making such ignorant assumptions if they would read Scripture. Mark 1324 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, v25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.. v26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. Edited by 4Pillars, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
4Pillars writes: Evolutionists are dumbfounded by the latest Hubble discoveries that Galaxies are increasing in speed. Biology and cosmology are completely different subjects, so it's no surprize that evolutionists don't fully understand galaxies.
These arrogant evols /scientists are trying to say that Einstein was wrong about his worse mistake. Einstein was wrong about a lot of things. Were you under the impression that everything Einstein said was carved in stone?
Evolutionist could avoid making such ignorant assumptions if they would read Scripture. As a rule, the evolutionists around here are far less ignorant about scripture than the creationists are. ------------- Welcome to EvC. Keep your Kevlar handy. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5915 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
And the stars of heaven shall fall Say there 4pillars do think that statement shows cosmological insight. And Buzsaw was concerned that Confidence was making Creationist a disservice, you on the other hand are making Confidence look good.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 836 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
4Pillars writes: Science agrees that the 3 basic elements are necessary (Air, Dust & Water) for a physical form. And you disagree with science? Science would be stating there are three states of matter everyone encounters on Earth, gas, solid, and liquid. This corresponds to your air, dust and water far better than the current number of elements which is 117 and counting, according to Wikipedia. List of chemical elements - Wikipedia Of course there are other states of matter, such as plasma. These states are just not usually encountered on Earth outside of a few real serious nuclear laboratories so far as I know. There has been a lot of progress in chemistry since the elements were considered earth, air, fire, and water by the ancient Greeks.
The Bible makes a lot of testable scientific citings & predictions - contrary to your unfounded OPINION. Do you want me to cite you one? Please feel free to cite as many as you can come up with, I for one would be very interested in seeing any that could actually make the cut.
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4Pillars Inactive Member |
Buzsaw>>By the time life was created there was dry ground separated from the waters creating oceans, lakes, et al. Then when God works to create life, it always says he worked with dust/earth/ground and not water. <<
Dear Buzsaw, Scripture says every living creatures that moveth and hath life originated from the waters. Science agrees. Perhaps, you miss reading these text... Genesis 120 And God said, Let the WATERS bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and EVERY LIVING CREATURE that moveth, which the WATERS BROUGHT FORTH ABUNDANTLY, after their kind, and EVERY winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. God Bless Edited by 4Pillars, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
4Pillars writes: Scripture says every living creatures that moveth and hath life originated from the waters. Perhaps you missed reading these texts:
quote: quote: quote: According to the Bible, only fish and fowl came from the water. Everything else came from the land. Unless you're saying that the fishies crawled out of the water and grew legs.... Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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4Pillars Inactive Member |
Dear Ringo,
That is just based on your religious view. Perhaps, I can explain further..... The Scripture is very clear documenting us that EVERY LIVING CREATURE THAT MOVETH AND HATH LIFE (including prehistoric mankind) were brought forth by the waters abundantly on the 5th day. The account of the formation of the beasts of the field and fowl of the air, from the Dust, on the 6th Day, is when YHWH/Jesus (the Son of God) sqeezed, as a potter would mould clay, and formed living creatures from the dust of the ground. IOW, God created every living creature that moveth, from the water, on the 5th Day, and Jesus produced His/their Kinds from the dust of the ground, on the 6th Day. Science agrees that all living creature originated from the waters. God Bless
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
4Pillars writes: The Scripture is very clear documenting us that EVERY LIVING CREATURE THAT MOVETH AND HATH LIFE (including prehistoric mankind) were brought forth by the waters abundantly on the 5th day. On the contrary, the scripture as I QUOTED it says nothing of the kind - not in any way shape or form. You can't just make up any old nonsense you like and mangle the Bible beyond recognition to try to make it agree with science. That's just bad theology (and it ain't science either). Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Hi 4Pillars,
I'm having trouble making sense out of your position. You seem to be saying that science agrees with the Biblical account. It doesn't. That's why there's a debate. It is because science disagrees with the Biblical account that evangelical Christians object to the teaching of some scientific theories in public schools, primarily the theory of evolution. Were there no such disagreement, evangelical Christians would not be objecting to the teaching of evolution.
Science agrees that all living creature originated from the waters. The Bible talks of only one origin, that of all life over several of the six days of creation. Science believes there were two origins, one that represents the first life, and another that is actually many origins, the origins of all species, both extinct and extant, over the approximately 3.8 billion years of earth history. While there is much speculation, science hasn't reached any conclusions about the origin of life. Most speculation involves an aqueous environment, but not all. For example, some speculate about mineral or clay origins for life. Concerning the origin of species, land species evolve on land, not water. Because of all this, it would not be correct to state that science agrees that all living creatures originated from the waters, because science does not believe this is the case. Trying to bring discussion back toward the topic, a necessary strategy for promoting creationism in public schools is to hide or disguise its religious foundation. For that reason, when lobbying school boards, legislatures and text book publishers, creationists never mention religion in any way, especially not God and the Bible, for to bring religion into the presentation would lose outright. The constitutional requirement of separation of church and state forbids our government from favoring any particular religious view, and so arguing for creationism using religious arguments can only fail. So what creationists do is the precise opposite of what you're doing: they argue that the scientific evidence actually supports a young earth and a global flood, and that evolution and geology are wrong. To this end they write their own "scientific" papers and stage their own "scientific" conferences. Despite these efforts, courts have consistently ruled that creationism, and more recently ID, is just thinly disguised religion. --Percy
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4Pillars Inactive Member |
Dear Ringo,
I am so sorry for your lack of spiritual understanding of the Scripture. Perhaps, you need to read the Scripture more often -- to get more wisdom and understanding. Here's what the Scripture says in full context and not what you cited. Genesis 120 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and EVERY living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and EVERY winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. Note: Who do you think God was blessing - when he told THEM (pronoun) to multiply on the 5th day (Gen 1:22)? 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and EVERY thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. I would appreciate if you clarify the things you don't understand first before you embarrassing yourself. God Bless
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4Pillars Inactive Member |
Dear Percy,
When Jesus made the creatures, -- including the prehistoric mankind -- He made them in various "kinds", His kinds. No one knows His classification system except He, Himself. Some theorize that the kinds could be creeping, walking, crawling, flying, etc. kinds. Microevolution or descent with modification happens every time a baby is born. It is God's way of keeping "kinds" within their own "kinds". Micro assures that dogs remain dogs... cats, remain cats...they evolve or change...but within their own "kind". Example: Cat's Family - A Lion (male) and a Tiger (female) producing a Giant "LIGER". See link (scroll all the way down). Detailed information on hybridisation in big cats. Includes tigons, ligers, leopons and others. See, it really amazing how the discovery of Science Today support the TRUTH of the Bible written many centuries ago -- the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) producing GIANT offsprings - Mighty Men of old, men renown - AFTER their union with the Daughters of Men (human), as documented in Genesis 6!!! This, of course, means that Macro is a Lie and God's Holy Word is the Truth. We did not Evolve our Human Intelligence. We inherited it from Adam, exactly as God told us we did. Evols, list down your evidence here.. Edited by 4Pillars, : No reason given.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4110 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
Microevolution or descent with modification happens every time a baby is born. It is God's way of keeping "kinds" within their own "kinds". Micro assures that dogs remain dogs... cats, remain cats...they evolve or change...but within their own "kind".
yes that is what we call them, were they cats millions of years ago? no they would be something else, a different species, what we call cats are not the same as they were millions of years ago
Example: Cat's Family - A Lion (male) and a Tiger (female) producing a Giant "LIGER". See link (scroll all the way down).
yes and so what? they arn't natural, they can barely mate with each other as it is, only forced by man or captivity its basicly unatural
See, it really amazing how the discovery of Science Today support the TRUTH of the Bible written many centuries ago -- the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) producing GIANT offsprings - Mighty Men of old, men renown - AFTER their union with the Daughters of Men (human), as documented in Genesis 6!!!
oh yes, make something up instead of reading what the text says, it says the sons of god, the angels had offspring with humans making giantsthey were giants because of thier fathers not from some prehistoric man This, of course, means that Macro is a Lie and God's Holy Word is the Truth. We did not Evolve our Human Intelligence. We inherited it from Adam, exactly as God told us we did.
i think everything you just said was a distorted misunderstanding of both the bible and science, nothing you posted shows evolution to be a lie
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4Pillars Inactive Member |
Dear DG,
Genesis 6 does not say that the sons of God were angels. Angels are ministering spirits -- without flesh and bone -- and could not possibly mate with humans, so much so producing giant offsprings. Ridiculous, isn't it? No wonder Evols get it wrong all the time. Their theory is based on wild imaginations and speculation. Next Please...
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
No wonder Evols get it wrong all the time. Their theory is based on wild imaginations and speculation
As opposed to the creationists' fairy tales? Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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