Is Hindu Marriage Moral

Wow. How self-refuting!Edited by docpotato, : No reason given.

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gay marriage is wrong and is only going to contribute to the continued degeneration of the West.

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Cool, a testable prediction! So will the social fabric degenerate more in states that allow homosexual marriage as opposed to states that have banned it?

Hey look at Canada, now that we've legalized same-sex marriage we've totally become a third-world nation with lots of crime and rape and mobs of homosexuals rampaging throug the strets marrying anyone they please.

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There might be some differential but I don't see any one sin-free state in this nation for a real test, do you? Since degeneration is a form of judgment by God, and judgment moves slowly as sins accumulate, and there are many things we deserve judgment for, it will probably be difficult to sort out the causes and effects. We could be done in by ferocious weather patterns or terrorism. But economic breakdown could happen overnight for instance. That would be nationwide though. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Judgment takes time to accumulate. It's coming. Maybe not quite your scenario.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yeah, I've heard that one before. It's the same tired old "Just wait until your daddy gets home" threat that christianity has been putting out there for the past 2000 years, suffice to say I ain't worried about the wrath of your sky-bully.Anyways, topic: Is hindu marriage moral?Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

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If disaster struck you wouldn't recognize the cause anyway. That got answered pages ago.

Well as you rightly pointed out before, if you don't agree with something (even if it has always been considered the norm before), then pointing out that it was always normal before doesn't seem very convincing. Your example of slavery is a good one, and there are also things like voting rights etc that have been changed. This would probably make a good topic in another thread. How (if at all) is the west deteriorating. What (if any) are the causes? would be interesting to see what people think. Well this is something I was going to bring up actually. Appealing to Leviticus is a perfectly valid reason for not allowing homosexual marriage in christianity. I certainly never expect to see churches performing homosexual marriages, and since I'm not a christian I don't think I've got the right to tell them to. Your rules are yours to make. And bringing this thread a little back on topic, I'd never expect to see a priest performing a Hindu marriage in a christian church either.I think our problem is that we have differing views of what marriage is. But whenever i'm arguing for homosexual marriage it's only ever secular marriage, which certainly shouldn't be affected by what is in Leviticus just because it's there. However if there are rational (secular) reasons given then those would certainly be valid in the secular debate. Well that is up to you of course. You don't have to if you don't want to

Sigh. The argument from the Bible is an argument for the laws of the one true and living God who made everything and everyone. It's not a "religious" matter. If a society doesn't adhere to these laws, the society is in trouble.

Then shouldn't this (United States) society be in really big trouble since we not only allow improper (Hindu, Buddist, Muslim...etc) marriages and worship, we have made that ability a RIGHT for all persons in our country. We even have it written in our highest standard for all our laws as the first right in direct and, I would say, defiant violation of the first of God's laws.So why isn't there an overwhelming call from the pulpits of the fundamentalist churches to strike that law from the Constitution of the United States?Why isn't the Christian right calling out to tear down from the high places those altars to the false gods just as Hezekiah son of Ahaz did?Surely we are doing evil in the sight of the Lord if we do not, at the very least, call for their destruction.Edited by LinearAq, : change "a" to "at"

How isn't it a religious matter? People from different religions will differ over what the one true god (or many varied gods, depending on the religion) say(s) the laws are. Since our two countries are made from a huge mix of all these people (plus people who aren't from any religion at all) we need some kind of objective method of deciding what our laws are.

You're doing better than me at steering the thread back on topic

Demonstrated to be a false assumption on your part by Message 67You assumed that your bias against homosexual marriage was universal -- that is not so.You keep trying to portray your position as universal in spite of the evidence that it isn't, and you keep insisting that the case for homosexuals is different than for any other couple combination -- it isn't.This is when bias becomes bigotry. Except that others don't see it as affecting either the concept of marriage or the "whole social structure" -- why?Because marriage is about a contract between two (or more) people to provide mutual support and to share resources and, what the heck, love.It doesn't matter who is involved, or how reproductive they are. In practical matters it makes no difference if the couple (or more) are heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual, mutual-monosexual, non-sexual or a-sexual.Couples that are genetically incapable of having children are no different than other couples that are incapable of having children.We've talked about people where one is genetically male by appears to be a woman married to another man, and we've talked about couples that engage in the same sexual practices as homosexuals, and we've talked about couples where one or both have had sex change operations, and you have no problem with their being married.We've talked about relationships down through history, and other cultures that recognize homosexual relationships as being as normal as heterosexual relations, several with culture traditional ceremonies to mark them in the same way that marriages are marked.We've talked about cultures that have NO marriage ceremony or tradition, and we've talked about the extreme variation of relationships portrayed in the bible, often being of either rape or consensual casual sex, and with no attendant special culture traditional ceremony.Heck we've even seen evidence of same sex christian culture traditional ceremonies in Message 52At every turn you claim some universal special {X} applies when the couple is male and female when there is no universal {X} there is no universal dividing principle there is no logical reason for such bigotry. Thus speaks the true bigot. Don't care about evidence, don't care about whether the argument is based on facts, don't care if it is actually false, just change to another reason whenever necessary to maintain the oppression.Consider four people, we'll call {A}, {B}, {C} and {D}
{A} is legally married to {B}
{C} is legally married to {D}
They live in the same house, sharing expenses and resources.You don't know what goes on inside the house.Is it moral?Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : No reason given.

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Yes, good point. We are definitely in trouble for all those reasons. Especially having ecumenical worship services in the once-Christian National Cathedral. Very very bad trouble.You do make a good point. But Christians have battled the pluralistic interpretation of the first amendment all along and continue to battle against it. However, if it's too far gone now, and it may be, then why bother complaining about gay marriage or any of the rest of it? Just let the nation go to hell in a handbasket.Hard to do that. We like this nation and we hate to see it trashed. Besides, it is a kindness to all the blind unbelievers to try to keep them from hastening the destruction of the nation and their own demise too soon with all their foolish anti-God legislation.But back to the other hand, this isn't a theocracy and Christians are supposed to be pilgrims and strangers in a strange land, citizens of another country, and the church always prospers under persecution.

It isn't religion because it's the truth. All the other religions are false. But it's too late. Do your damnedest.