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NosyNed
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Message 31 of 43 (179124)
01-20-2005 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Asgara
01-20-2005 9:13 PM


Re: Outnumber?
LOL , Yea I know. Several have tried to have both sides of that argument.
But remember they often have trouble keeping straight just what it is that they are saying. That seems to be our job.

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LDSdude
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Message 32 of 43 (179143)
01-20-2005 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by NosyNed
01-20-2005 9:13 PM


Re: No problem then
Wait a second. Is one person using many screen names? Because all of the last posts were posted within minutes of eacother. Is somebody out there trying to make themselves look more reliable by looking like differnt sources? Because that would just be immature.
Baby: WAAAAAA!
Mom: What's wrong, sweetheart?
Baby: My limited knowlege and assumed understanding of scientific reasoning of the concept of evolution and all it's fundamentals has failed, and therefore I must resolve to insulting another scientific advesaries intelect and exploiting my abilities of multiple signature names that are readily available to my disgresionary use in order to change my scientific appearance to that of a THREE YEAR OLD! WAAAAAA!
Mom: You've been watching too much "Bill Nye The Science Guy!" I'm going to file a complaint to the TV Networks and sue the stations for abusive tainting of impressionable minds!
And Burning in the floods energy. Hmmmmm. You know what, you MUST be right! I mean I was walking in a HORRIBLE rain storm the other day, and I swear that despite the cold temperatures, I broke a warm sweat! I bet Noah would have exploded from all that water. Not to mention, there was Acid RAIN! The Mammoths invented it before we did, because since the THEORY of evolution MUST be true, Man is always second best! Yippee! (By the way, for all you extremely unhumorous fellow scientists out there, the previous paragraph was written with sarcastic intensions. We must evolved that too!)
I did not mean to shove words down the throats of people who beleive evolution and Religion work together; I got lost in stating only what my religion believes, and I apolagize.
The Bible teaches a spiritual lesson WHICH YOU ALL REFUSE TO EVEN TRY TO LISTEN TOO. YOU WON'T EVEN LISTEN TO MY COMMENTS RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW, WELL YOU! IT JUST SHOWS HOW EXTREMELY ONE-SIDED EVOLUTIONISTS ARE. Put down your pride and take my previous advice.
Oh yeah, the flood has evidence in the fossil record. Get your facts straight. Research, Research, Research!
BABY:WAAAAAAA!
MOMh, what is it now, shnuckums?
BABY: I need you to change my diaper!
MOM:Why?
BABY:Because I have in essence "pooped" all over my evidence and had to read through the soiled pages.
MOM: Is that why your research "stinks?"
BABY:Nevermind. Just get to the diaper, woman!

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NosyNed
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Message 33 of 43 (179147)
01-20-2005 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by LDSdude
01-20-2005 9:44 PM


My my my, what an outburst.
The Bible teaches a spiritual lesson WHICH YOU ALL REFUSE TO EVEN TRY TO LISTEN TOO. YOU WON'T EVEN LISTEN TO MY COMMENTS RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW, WELL YOU! IT JUST SHOWS HOW EXTREMELY ONE-SIDED EVOLUTIONISTS ARE. Put down your pride and take my previous advice.
If there was any inclination to listen to the message of the Bible the nonsense posted by many visitors here (and posts like that one of yours) would destroy it completely. You are (as the Bishop in England is quoted in another thread) are very, very bad representatives of your beliefs. Fortunately, I know a number of real Christians very well and am not fooled by you.

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Cthulhu
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Message 34 of 43 (179148)
01-20-2005 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by LDSdude
01-20-2005 9:44 PM


Re: No problem then
Yay! Pointless ad hominem arguements! An ipse dixit!
A friendly word of advice: Being a prick won't endear yourself to others. In fact, they'll start ignoring you.

Proudly attempting to Google-Bomb Kent "The Lying Dumbass" Hovind's website
Lying Dumbass

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CK
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Message 35 of 43 (179149)
01-20-2005 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by LDSdude
01-20-2005 9:44 PM


Re: No problem then
quote:
Wait a second. Is one person using many screen names? Because all of the last posts were posted within minutes of eacother. Is somebody out there trying to make themselves look more reliable by looking like differnt sources? Because that would just be immature.
And the evidence for this claim is? Who are you accusing of being the same person?
Reading the rest of this post - why is LDSDude not in the Bootcamp where he can get the help he needs?
quote:
And Burning in the floods energy. Hmmmmm. You know what, you MUST be right! I mean I was walking in a HORRIBLE rain storm the other day, and I swear that despite the cold temperatures, I broke a warm sweat! I bet Noah would have exploded from all that water. Not to mention, there was Acid RAIN! The Mammoths invented it before we did, because since the THEORY of evolution MUST be true, Man is always second best! Yippee! (By the way, for all you extremely unhumorous fellow scientists out there, the previous paragraph was written with sarcastic intensions. We must evolved that too!)
What you are actually saying is "I don't understand the question posed to me, so I will cover my lack of knowledge with idiotic behaviour".

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pink sasquatch
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Message 36 of 43 (179306)
01-21-2005 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by LDSdude
01-20-2005 8:59 PM


so you've changed your argument then?
First: Go ahead, give me something. Tell me something that takes place in the bible that physics and other natural forces of nature could not do. Seriously, I'll take you on on this.
Then after several examples are given:
Oh my heck, you guys. THE BIBLE IS A SPIRITUAL MESSAGE TO THOSE WHO WILL SINCERELY LISTEN. IT IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC ALMANAC!
So I'm assuming you're taking back your statement that there is nothing "in the bible that physics and other natural forces of nature could not do?"
Remember, the bible was written for the people of the day, and us. So the writers had to make it understandable to both peoples. Do you expect the bible to read- Pi equals therefore three and one tenth and four hundredths with five thousandths and....
Isn't the Bible God's word? Shouldn't He know the value of pi at least to two decimal places?
You've simple proved a certain point: The Bible wasn't written "for the people of the day", it was written "by the people of the day", with the knowledge they had.
Can you come up with an example of something in the Bible that the people of the time couldn't have known given their knowledge base? I don't mean prophecy, I mean things that would be completely out of their realm of knowledge.
That would be interesting evidence for God's hand in the writing of the Bible.

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tsig
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Message 37 of 43 (179853)
01-23-2005 5:21 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by CK
01-20-2005 9:52 PM


Re: No problem then
What you are actually saying is "I don't understand the question posed to me, so I will cover my lack of knowledge with idiotic behaviour"
Ldsdude sounds like lsddude. He's definetely a dude with a 'tude. He went off topic on his first post.

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tsig
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Message 38 of 43 (179854)
01-23-2005 5:26 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by pink sasquatch
01-21-2005 11:14 AM


Re: so you've changed your argument then?
Isn't the Bible God's word?
Point of the thread is that IDers say that the bacflag is a work of god. Why not reverse engineer it and discover the creator.

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Limbo
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Message 39 of 43 (198695)
04-12-2005 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by tsig
12-14-2004 1:20 AM


assuming ID is true, there is still no way to 'know' at what point(s) the designer was directly involved. for all we know, the designer could have front loaded reality, like winding up a clock and walking away. the designer could have snapped his fingers and caused:
Origin of scientific laws
Origin of Universe - big bang.
Origin of Solar system.
Origin of Earth.
Origin of single celled creatures - chemical evolution (abiogenesis or biopoesis).
Origin of plants and multi-cellular organisms.
Origin of fish, animals, insects and reptiles.
Origin of man.
in one fell swoop.
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arachnophilia
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Message 40 of 43 (198779)
04-12-2005 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Limbo
04-12-2005 3:23 PM


assuming that designer to be god.
what if the intelligent design was done by something or someone that was not god?

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MarkElkins
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Message 41 of 43 (198787)
04-12-2005 7:02 PM


>>That's not true at all - large elements of the bible contradict science.
Please expand.

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Message 42 of 43 (198789)
04-12-2005 7:05 PM
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04-12-2005 7:02 PM


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tsig
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Message 43 of 43 (198874)
04-13-2005 6:33 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Limbo
04-12-2005 3:23 PM


the location
assuming ID is true, there is still no way to 'know' at what point(s) the designer was directly involved. for all we know, the designer could have front loaded reality, like winding up a clock and walking away. the designer could have snapped his fingers and caused:
Origin of scientific laws
Origin of Universe - big bang.
Origin of Solar system.
Origin of Earth.
Origin of single celled creatures - chemical evolution (abiogenesis or biopoesis).
Origin of plants and multi-cellular organisms.
Origin of fish, animals, insects and reptiles.
Origin of man.
in one fell swoop.
But the ID people say they can see design in living organisms. Why not study the design to see how it was done?
Think of it, studying the mind of god in the tail of a bacteria.

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