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Topic: Should a Creationist be allowed to hold a position of Authority?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Yesterday, during the apppontment of Condoleezza Rics, Bush expounded on how "freedom is the gift of god" I like to shout that at the people with the signs that say "freedom isn't free." "I thought it was a gift from God!"
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Dynamo321
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Message 62 of 162 (163095)
11-25-2004 12:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 50 by NosyNed
10-13-2004 12:10 PM
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Re: Rational thought vs fervant Belief
"Should someone be in power that exhibits a decision making process that places belief ahead of evidence?" The evidence that supports evolution is more flawed than creationism in my personal oppinion. our nation has just been "brain washed" from child hood to believe this hoax. so my question is: Should an evolutionist be allowed to hold a position of authority when their entire belief base (may be) unfounded? The answer is yes just as much as a creationist. Evolution is just as much a faith based "religeon" (if I may say) as creationism is.
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NosyNed
Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: 04-04-2003
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Message 63 of 162 (163107)
11-25-2004 12:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 62 by Dynamo321
11-25-2004 12:16 AM
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Evolution as belief
You might want to review the numerous threads that discuss this:
Can science support creationism? Creationists: Why is Evolution Bad Science? The Religious Nature of Evolution, or Lack Thereof The Nature of Scientific Inquiry - Contrasted with Creation "Science" You might want to post in one of those your definition of what a "faith" is and why science (evolution specifically) is such a thing. If you happen to be a young earther I suggest you then go to Dates and Dating and answer the questions in this thread:
Age Correlations and an Old Earth You may note that in nearly 300 posts there hasn't been an answer from the young earthers yet. (the thread will have to be closed and a new one started soon). You are making statments as if you know a lot about these topics. Now you are expected to back up what you state. That is what good faith discussion is about. (and part of the guidelines you have agreed to).
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contracycle
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Message 64 of 162 (163138)
11-25-2004 4:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 62 by Dynamo321
11-25-2004 12:16 AM
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Re: Rational thought vs fervant Belief
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Evolution is just as much a faith based "religeon" (if I may say) as creationism is.
You may not.
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Dynamo321
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Message 65 of 162 (163168)
11-25-2004 9:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 63 by NosyNed
11-25-2004 12:53 AM
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Re: Evolution as belief
Feel free to close the thread. I am not an authority on the evolution or creation theory. I don't know who here is. I am assuming you are. My only real beef is that Evolution is assumed while creationism has to be proven / debated. There have been findings like fossles of man in the same sediment layers, it confuses me, but I am first to admit that I don't have all of the answers. I think from here on I will talk about things that I am an authority on like: http:// EvC Forum: Hauntings, Exorcisms and the Like --> EvC Forum: Hauntings, Exorcisms and the Like I will let you evolutionists do what you do best. Debate with one another. Great thread. thanks
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 66 of 162 (163180)
11-25-2004 10:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 65 by Dynamo321
11-25-2004 9:39 AM
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Re: Evolution as belief
Hi, Dynamo! Welcome!
My only real beef is that Evolution is assumed while creationism has to be proven / debated.
Uhhh.. no. Starting about 1800 or a little before, and continuing until today, geologists, biologists, and other scientists by the thousands have gathered up large libraries full of the data that support an ancient origin of life on Earth and of the changes of life through time. "Scientific creationists" have generated no data at all (well, maybe a handful of questionable radioisotope dates) since their "field" was founded by the Seventh-Day Adventists in the 1920's. The "debate" was over a century ago.
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NosyNed
Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: 04-04-2003
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Message 67 of 162 (163190)
11-25-2004 10:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 65 by Dynamo321
11-25-2004 9:39 AM
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Re: Evolution as belief
My only real beef is that Evolution is assumed while creationism has to be proven / debated. There have been findings like fossles of man in the same sediment layers, it confuses me, but I am first to admit that I don't have all of the answers. I think from here on I will talk about things that I am an authority on like: You may, of course,stick to areas which you know. It isn't much of a way to learn things mind you but that is your choice. It seems a choice that a lot of literalists make. The facts are a problem. It is easier, in this case, to stick with lies that you have been told.
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Dynamo321
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Message 68 of 162 (163216)
11-25-2004 12:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 66 by Coragyps
11-25-2004 10:10 AM
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Re: Evolution as belief
Interesting point.
I will let you scientists discuss the topic further. I enjoy reading your posts. Thanks
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Minnemooseus
Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: 11-11-2001 Member Rating: 10.0
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Message 69 of 162 (163417)
11-27-2004 1:25 AM
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George W. Bush a YEC?
I have no information to indicate such. But I think it would be (would have been?) good that he be asked the question "How old do you think the Earth is". If it turns out he's a YEC, wow, what evidence of a serious conflict between religious perceptions and worldly evidence. Moose
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nator
Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Re: George W. Bush a YEC?
Bush? Probably. Delay? Him too. It's hard to know if they are just pandering to the ignorant religious, though. Creationism = Willful Ignorance
George W. Bush On teaching evolution in schools, Bush believes both evolution and creationism are valid educational subjects. "He believes it is a question for states and local school boards to decide but believes both ought to be taught," a spokeswoman said. Source: Bruce Morton, CNN Aug 27, 1999 Then there is Patrick Henry (Bible) College - path to George Bush ( http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?st...) (Also please see George Bush Misrepresents Science and Knowledge) House majority leader - Tom Delay ?youth violence is caused by day care, the teaching of evolution, and "working mothers taking birth-control pills." The horror of the shootings at Columbine are easily explained, he says, "because our school systems teach our children that they are nothing but glorified apes who have evolutionized out of some primordial mud."
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Quetzal
Member (Idle past 5903 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 01-09-2002
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Message 71 of 162 (163503)
11-27-2004 2:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 65 by Dynamo321
11-25-2004 9:39 AM
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Re: Evolution as belief
The evidence that supports evolution is more flawed than creationism in my personal oppinion. Interesting. You are more than willing to make sweeping statements like this, but when Nosy suggests you enter an active thread to provide support for your contention, you refuse? How....cowardly.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5708 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 72 of 162 (174946)
01-08-2005 3:30 AM
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Reply to: Message 71 by Quetzal
11-27-2004 2:59 PM
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Re: Evolution as belief
The evidence that supports evolution is more flawed than creationism in my personal oppinion. Interesting. You are more than willing to make sweeping statements like this, but
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Quetzal
Member (Idle past 5903 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 01-09-2002
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Message 73 of 162 (175018)
01-08-2005 11:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 72 by Tal
01-08-2005 3:30 AM
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Re: Evolution as belief
And you've been doing much better over the months since my comment was posted. Keep your head down!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 74 of 162 (284447)
02-06-2006 4:56 PM
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Bump
In light of recent news about censoring science I ask once again. Should a Creationist be allowed to hold a position of Authority?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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randman 
Suspended Member (Idle past 4930 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: 05-26-2005
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Message 75 of 162 (284457)
02-06-2006 5:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by jar
10-08-2004 11:26 AM
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paranoia
Paranoia and bigotry run deep, I see. But you probably see nothing wrong with thinking the OP is perfectly reasonable.
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