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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The idea that Israel would commit such a violation at all, and especially considering their position in public opinion, is absurd. Where is your evidence please? You are operating on faith in the Red Crescent it appears. There are KNOWN incidents of ambulances being used for military actions.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes it could have been an accident but for Israel intentionally to target ambulances without knowledge is just ridiculous.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Concerning the amulance matter, likely one or two medical vehicles were hit either accidently or due to suspected missuse "Suspected misuse" is not a valid reason to violate the Geneva Conventions, to which Israel is a signatory. Much as it's invalid to claim "suspected trickery" as a justification for shooting the doctor who's trying to treat you.
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MangyTiger Member (Idle past 6381 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
How can I have been so dumb???
Thanks for putting me straight. Oops! Wrong Planet
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
MT writes: I'm intrigued on what basis you regard the Hezbollah fighters as cowards (I should point out I don't support Hezbollah's aims or methods, but I think you are wrong in this assessment). Go figure. Cowards launch their rockets from civilian locations drawing fire to the target. They know that Israel's rockets hone in on the Hezbollah launch sight very accurately. Cowards fire rockets indiscriminately into civilian targets purposely hoping to kill as many as possible. Fortunately they are not accurate but do kill and destroy.
MT writes: Now you may decry the launching of rockets and/or unguided missiles into Israeli cities but that's irrelevant to the point under discussion. The Israelis have total, 100% air supremacy and have demonstrated their willingness to not only destroy any rocket launcher that fires for more than a short time but also to attack any vehicle that looks even remotely like it might be carrying rockets while it is on the road. That's incorrect. Israelli rockets hone in on the locations from which a ketusia rocket has been fired. They do not guess or fire indiscriminately into civilians as do the Hezbollah terrorist cowards.
MT writes: In many cases they fire from vehicles and run.
This means any Hezbollah fighter who is operating a rocket lanucher or moving it from place to place is at serious risk of being blown up by an air strike that they have no defence against. If they were cowards they wouldn't have anybody firing the rockets. MT writes: As for fighting the IDF - again it's David against Goliath except this time Israel is Goliath. Hezbollah has no tanks, no self propelled guns, no heavy artillery (I haven't heard of them using anything bigger than mortars), no air support of any sort and is, at the end of the day, just a militia. Well then they should not have started this war in which they knew they would have to fight like cowards against defenseless civilians.
MT writes: So I have to ask again, on what basis do you describe them as cowards? Isn't this just an example of demonising your enemy? I heard it on one of the Fox News segments but not sure which one. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Cowards launch their rockets from civilian locations drawing fire to the target. They know that Israel's rockets hone in on the Hezbollah launch sight very accurately. Cowards fire rockets indiscriminately into civilian targets purposely hoping to kill as many as possible. Fortunately they are not accurate but do kill and destroy. I don't think cowardice describes this situation. They are doing this intentionally to set up Israel as the bad guys, and to make it especially difficult strategically for Israel, because Israel does have a conscience and doesn't want to harm civilians and they know it. They themselves couldn't care less about the civilians. I wouldn't call them cowards for that, more like sociopaths, criminals, murderers, evil men. They may in fact not be cowards at all when it comes to dying for their cause, so it's not a good term for them that way either. But their strategies of callously using and targeting innocent people makes them worse than cowards.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
MT writes: Speaking of Isreal warning the inhabitants to leave, I suppose you're ok with the events at Marwaheen where the Isrealis warned the inhabitants they had hours to leave and then when a convy of families tried to leave they were butchered by an Israeli air strike. Let's be very clear about the chain of events here: The Israelis tell the inhabitants of a village they have hours to leaveThe civilians obey the warning to get out As civilians leave a village where the Israelis told them they had to get out they are attacked by an Israeli aircraft Is it ok to order people to flee their homes and then slaughter them when they obey your order buz? Do you think maybe adjectives like ruthless or cowardly are applicable? Even if this was a cock up rather than a deliberate act (I regard both as plausible explanations) Israel doesn't come out of this any better. This from the International Tribune (Middle East paper). According to Israel, their rocket targeted this convoy because a katusia rocket had been fired from it, indicative of what I've been saying all along that the Hezbollah terrorists purposely draw fire to civilian targets not only to protect themselves but to get international sympathy for their terrorism. As usual the Western liberal press establishment didn't give the Israeli side of the story. They were in a moving convoy and the EVIL COWARDS knew full well that by the time the responding missile came in they would be safely ahead of the civilians hit for the sole purpose of drawing international sympathy for their cause.
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Not Found - The New York Times - 44k A Lebanese civilian convoy was hit near the coastal town of Tyre after fleeing the border village of Marwaheen, resulting in 16 deaths. The Israeli military said the area was a target because Hezbollah had used it to launch missiles, and regretted any civilian casualties. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
I have to differ here, madear. Imo anyone who targets defenseless civilians is a coward no matter how you cut it.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Imo anyone who targets defenseless civilians is a coward no matter how you cut it.
Like the Israelis who blew up a civillian convoy. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Like the Israelis who blew up a civillian convoy. Not at all like. The Israelis don't TARGET civilians. The operative word is TARGET. Sometimes the "civilians" aren't civilians but made to appear so by the terrorists; often the civilians were put in harm's way by the terrorists; otherwise, despite the best aimed weapons and the best intentions, mistakes are always made and people get hurt. But the terrorists TARGET civilians. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
The Israelis don't TARGET civilians
Says who? The israelis? Not that I'm on Hezbollah's side but just cause Israel says they made a mistake doesn't mean that I believe them. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But the terrorists TARGET civilians. Well, let's look at the situation in Lebanon. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC Israel is pissed because Hezbollah targeted Israeli Military, two soldiers I believe. Military target Faith. In return, Israel attacked civilians. Please point out the Military targets Israel has selected if you believe you can. Or do Israeli Soldiers count as civilians under your scenario? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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MangyTiger Member (Idle past 6381 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
You need to work on your comprehension skills buz.
buz incorrectly writes: This from the International Tribune (Middle East paper). According to Israel, their rocket targeted this convoy because a katusia rocket had been fired from it What the International Tribune actually writes: link writes: A Lebanese civilian convoy was hit near the coastal town of Tyre after fleeing the border village of Marwaheen, resulting in 16 deaths. The Israeli military said the area was a target because Hezbollah had used it to launch missiles, and regretted any civilian casualties. Not Found - The New York Times - 44k Your own source, which you even quoted in your post does not say that a rocket was fired from the convoy. What the Israeli military said was that the area where the attack on the convoy took place was a target because missiles had been launched from there. Your claim that a Katyusha was fired from the convoy is shown by your own source to be complete unmitigated bullshit and I trust you will now retract it unreservedly.
buz (making it up as he goes along) writes: They were in a moving convoy and the EVIL COWARDS knew full well that by the time the responding missile came in they would be safely ahead of the civilians hit for the sole purpose of drawing international sympathy for their cause. Have you not watched the videos the Israelis have released of their aircraft destroying Katyusha launchers? They are always stationary - they have to be. Katyushas are completely unguided - you have to point them in the direction of the target and set the elevation of the launch tube and stuff like that. This is from an article in the Baltimore Sun:
Most variants of the Katyusha can be set up and fired in less than an hour, said John Pike, a military technology expert at GlobalSecurity, a Web-based defense research organization. The Iranian-built Fadjr-5 takes well over an hour for its truck-mounted launcher to be set up and adjusted, Pike said. So the idea that Hezbollah could use a moving civilian convoy as cover for launching Katyushas is also complete unmitigated bullshit and I trust you will now retract it unreservedly as well. So tell me buz, why are you making stuff up like this? Is it religious and/or racial bias that stops you doing even the most basic research to check your claims? Oops! Wrong Planet
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Evidently you did not read my message 22 and the link to it stating that the Israeli rocket targeted the convoy because a missile had been fired from it. I said:
They were in a moving convoy and the EVIL COWARDS knew full well that by the time the responding missile came in they would be safely ahead of the civilians hit for the sole purpose of drawing international sympathy for their cause. Get it? The sinister cowards purposely positioned themselves in a moving convoy of refugees, firing a rocket from the moving convoy of innocent refugees fleeing the war zone, knowing full well that in a moving convoy after they fired the rocket from their vehicle an Israeli response would come in exactly at the point that their's was fired from. By the time the Israeli rocket came in the sinister cowards would be well out of range of the incoming missle and that it would surely hit whichever vehicles loaded with civilians in the convoy happened to be at that spot by the time the responding rocket came in. Imo, this is the epitimy of cowardice and evil. This, of course was to embitter the world against Israel. As per usual the Western liberal press failed to tell the Israeli story. I had to go to a Mid East and North Africa news source to get it.
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A Lebanese civilian convoy was hit near the coastal town of Tyre after fleeing the border village of Marwaheen, resulting in 16 deaths. The Israeli military said the area was a target because Hezbollah had used it to launch missiles, (embolding mine) and regretted any civilian casualties. Not Found - The New York Times - 44k BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
MT writes: Your claim that a Katyusha was fired from the convoy is shown by your own source to be complete unmitigated bullshit and I trust you will now retract it unreservedly. You better study up on the Israelli missile tech, MT. Ny understanding is that they are capable of and do pinpoint the very spot from which the enemy missile was fired from and if so, that spot had to be the convoy. Correct me if I'm mistaken. I will be off to church tomorrow (Sabbath) and Lord willing able to do more responding tomorrow PM. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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