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JonF
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Message 91 of 260 (179037)
01-20-2005 6:11 PM
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01-20-2005 5:55 PM


Re: Water or Ice
Heat would of been radiated from the earth to outer space,
Not in any reasonable period of time. Radiation is slow and inefficient. It would take thousands (if not millions) of years to dump the amount of heat involved in the various wacky scenarios proposed in this thread into space by radiation.

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Joe Meert
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Message 92 of 260 (179038)
01-20-2005 6:11 PM
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01-20-2005 5:55 PM


Re: Water or Ice
Walt Brown and reversals? Hmm, I've had this conversation before.
Cheers
Joe Meert
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Message 93 of 260 (179043)
01-20-2005 6:20 PM
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01-20-2005 5:35 PM


Re:Truth
Charles Knight, You surely are not talking about the Great Ron Wyatt. I kind of hear you, lots of Great men never got the credit for their efforts. Columbus belief the earth was round, because of his faith.
Walt Brown is a great degree'd scientists and yet you honor Darwin and demote Brown. Hovind has a greater scientific degree (Masters) than Darwin had. I agree most people are delusional to mention Darwin in respect to the sciences. Walt is bringing accountability to the Sciences, not because he's delusional but because he is a master scientist that happens to be a Christian.
Walt Brown was an evolutionists but came to the Lord based on the geography topography of the earth, that the Flood happened. (God works in mysterious ways. Did Darwin even have a scientific degree, yet you all consider him one of your greatest scientists. Wonders never cease.

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Joe Meert
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Message 94 of 260 (179044)
01-20-2005 6:23 PM
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01-20-2005 6:20 PM


Re: Re:Truth
quote:
Walt Brown was an evolutionists but came to the Lord based on the geography topography of the earth, that the Flood happened. (God works in mysterious ways. Did Darwin even have a scientific degree, yet you all consider him one of your greatest scientists. Wonders never cease.
JM: Actually that's not quite true if you read his bio carefully.
Cheers
Joe Meert

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johnfolton 
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Message 95 of 260 (179049)
01-20-2005 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by JonF
01-20-2005 6:11 PM


Re: Water or Ice
JonF, I thought the atmosphere traps the heat from radiating to outer space. The bible says that the erupting fountains waters opened, as did the windows of heaven (if the atmosphere rolled back (windows of heaven) above where the waters were erupted out from the earth) you would have nothing to prevent this heat from escaping the earth.
The waters would be prevented from leaving because of the gravitation of the earth (not enough escape velocity) thus separating the heat as the steamed waters condensed.

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CK
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Message 96 of 260 (179056)
01-20-2005 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by johnfolton
01-20-2005 6:20 PM


Re: Re:Truth
Ah - maybe you'd be willing to take this on - even our most hardline creationists were unwilling to touch it with a bargepole:
http://EvC Forum: Blood of Jesus -->EvC Forum: Blood of Jesus
I've examined all of his claims very closely - all bullshit.

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Message 97 of 260 (179058)
01-20-2005 6:47 PM
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01-20-2005 6:20 PM


Re: Re:Truth
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Columbus belief the earth was round, because of his faith.
Everyone knew that the earth was round during the time of Columbus. There was no faith involved. Actually, Columbus thought the circumference of the earth was significantly less than it actually was and he stocked his ships accordingly. If he had not ran into north america his crew would have starved to death. Remember, Columbus's voyage was trying to discover a western passage to Asia. In that respect, his voyage was an utter failure.
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Walt is bringing accountability to the Sciences, not because he's delusional but because he is a master scientist that happens to be a Christian.
Wow, this one is priceless. If Walt is about accountability, then why doesn't he present his ideas to actual geologists instead of just creationists? Why is it that christian geologists denounce Walt just as loudly as atheist ones?

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JonF
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Message 98 of 260 (179067)
01-20-2005 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by johnfolton
01-20-2005 6:35 PM


Re: Water or Ice
JonF, I thought the atmosphere traps the heat from radiating to outer space. The bible says that the erupting fountains waters opened, as did the windows of heaven (if the atmosphere rolled back (windows of heaven) above where the waters were erupted out from the earth) you would have nothing to prevent this heat from escaping the earth.
You thought wrong. This is not news. You think wrong a lot.
There's no question of "preventing". Heat always transfers. The transfer may be slow or fast.
The atmosphere has a very small insulating effect. It acts as a conductor, speeding heat transfer, but the top is somewhat colder than the surface of the Earth, slowing heat transfer (because of the delta T between the top of the atmosphere and space). Overall it slows heat transfer to space slightly. The major controlling effect is temperature difference between the Earth and outer space; heating the Earth speeds heat transfer ... but again not a heck of a lot.
If the atmosphere were totally removed, heat lost to outer space would be slightly increased. Not enough to change the order of magnitude of the time involved.
BTW, if you're serious about removing Earth's atmosphere and life surviving that, congratulations; you've really scored some righteous drugs.
The waters would be prevented from leaving because of the gravitation of the earth (not enough escape velocity) thus separating the heat as the steamed waters condensed.
OK, I'll bite; what gives the atmosphere escape velocity but not the water? This should be precious ...
And what brought the atmosphere back?
Are you a Velikovskian?

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JonF
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Message 99 of 260 (179072)
01-20-2005 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by johnfolton
01-20-2005 6:20 PM


Re: Re:Truth
Hovind has a greater scientific degree (Masters) than Darwin had ... Did Darwin even have a scientific degree, yet you all consider him one of your greatest scientists.
Yes. Academic credentials are some indicator of education and ability (especially when they're fake credentials from diploma mills, like Hovind's PhD), but in the end it comes down to the evidence and what you actually achieve with that evidence. On those scales Hovind and Brown don't even register, and Darwin is one of the few greats.

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johnfolton 
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Message 100 of 260 (179074)
01-20-2005 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Joe Meert
01-20-2005 6:11 PM


Re: Water or Ice
Joe Meert, I don't understand magnetic reversals, not sure they even exist. I thought however that you might find this particular biblical verse interesting.
It says basically (little interpretation of the verse) that the Lord was there, when his Father set a compass upon the face of the depth. kjv Pro 8:27
In respect to magnetic reversals not sure if they really exists, but if they do it says the Lord was there when God set his Compass on the face of the depth. The only reason I can come up with for his setting his compass on the face of the depth was so his creatures could navigate by their internal compass.
I've heard the sea turtles, Coho salmon are able to find home based off magnetics, there must be more to magnetics than just true north/south. Like crossing hairs so they can find east west, and not just north south. If magnetics were only north and south and not east and west the sea turtles would never beable to find the islands to lay their eggs.
kjv Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
kjv Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

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Asgara
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Message 101 of 260 (179075)
01-20-2005 7:25 PM
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01-20-2005 6:20 PM


Re: Re:Truth
Hovind has a greater scientific degree (Masters) than Darwin had
What scientific degree would this be? Please name the degrees Kent Hovind has or claims to have. I don't believe you will find even one science degree.

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Message 102 of 260 (179080)
01-20-2005 7:33 PM
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01-20-2005 7:24 PM


Right to an opinion
I don't understand magnetic reversals, not sure they even exist.
You know nothing about the subject (as you so candidly state). You have no right to any opinion whatsoever.
You can leave the Biblical quotes out of this as the discussion is in a science forum. They are not relevant in any way.

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JonF
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Message 103 of 260 (179082)
01-20-2005 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Asgara
01-20-2005 7:25 PM


Re: Re:Truth
Please name the degrees Kent Hovind has or claims to have. I don't believe you will find even one science degree.
Ah, you're right. Missed that.
Of course, Hovind would still be a loony con-man if he had an earned doctorate in quantum cosmology from Cal Tech. Where the rubber meets the road, it's what you do that counts more that what pieces of paper you have on the wall.
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CK
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Message 104 of 260 (179084)
01-20-2005 7:50 PM
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01-20-2005 7:37 PM


Re: Re:Truth
He has a noddy qualification from a diploma Mill.
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His thesis doesn't even have a Title!!!
Oh my god!!! it doesn't have any references! you couldn't get away with that in the weakest undergraduate degree!
it has one diagram that he taped in from a science book!
LOL
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jar
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Message 105 of 260 (179086)
01-20-2005 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by johnfolton
01-20-2005 7:24 PM


Re: Water or Ice
In respect to magnetic reversals not sure if they really exists, but if they do it says the Lord was there when God set his Compass on the face of the depth. The only reason I can come up with for his setting his compass on the face of the depth was so his creatures could navigate by their internal compass.
ROTFLMAO
Tom, is it really possible that you don't know what compass that refers to is it?
Way too funny.
I'll give you a hint. It doesn't point North.

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