Is God of the NT different than God of the OT?

Hum. And here I thought any of those folks that might have once been were all dead now. For about eighty generations.

Like GOD would even give a damn. I swear, some depictions of God by Christians sounds just like they are describing second graders on the playground."He's God's Son!""Is not""Am too.""Told you! So Nah-nah-nah!"

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i doubt this, isn't the second commendment have no other gods before me?
well guess what no one is going to worship someone other than the god who gave them that law for dead guys they really keep a grudge or is this reprocutions for being related? i doubt this will happen ever, they want a human not a person who is c claimed at one moment to be god, the son of god, and mortal and immortal all at the same time, oh and they don't consider a half-god to be human

first commandment.and to be extra clear, it's not "before" as in "ahead" of me. it's "before me" as in "in my presence."

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really? that's very interesting. god i hate how painfully imprecise english is.

So it's ok to have other gods if you're not in his presence?This also suggests to me that God (at least at the time of the commandments) isn't omnipresent - otherwise anything talking about 'in his presence' is meaningless.Or is it just a turn of phrase that isn't tht significant in context?

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Christ is not another God. Christ is God incarnate.Look at the story of Joseph and take a hint. The brothers of Joseph hated him because of his dreams and his words. They thought that they had gotten rid of him. But they latter came down to Egypt in great neediness and bowed down to a Ruler in Egypt who was Joseph. They didn't know it. Joseph had risen from his status as a forsaken slave to be ruler of the land.There actual persecution of their brother Joseph caused his dreams to be propheticallty fulfilled. God's amazing soveriegnty over time caused all things to work together for Joseph's exaltation.In time Joseph revealed himself to his 11 brothers after he had dealt with them in love and discipline. The story is a foreshadow of the nation of Israel's slow recognition of their Messiah. Israel broke the commandments terribly before Moses could hardly bring them down the mountain to them. It will not depend upon the nation keeping the law of God but on God's great mercy to open their eyes.It is inevitable. It is not a matter of what they want. It is a matter of what God wants.

You're getting caught up in technicalities and failing to see the moral aspect of being in God's presence.Suppose I am in your presence cursing you and insulting you? Sure I am in your presence but not in a very good way.Suppose I am in your presence offering you the respect and regard due you? I am not only technically "in your presence" but have moral regard for your presence.Suppose I am in your presence but you are so disgusted with me that you turn your back to me? See the difference between that and being in your presence with a mutual good feeling we might have toward one another?

You seem to miss the point of this conversation.It's not about you being in somebody else's presence. It's about other gods being in Yahweh's presence.It's not about how you treat somebody when you're in their presence. It's about other gods being in Yahweh's presence.It's not about a "mutual good feeling" between Yahweh and other gods.Do you see the theme here? When the Ten Commandments were written, other gods were taken for granted. The commandment doesn't say there are no other gods. It says, "Don't let me catch you with any other gods."It's a picture of a jealous "God", not a unique God.It's yet another indication that the "God" described in the Bible is just a reflection of human ideas. There are many different descriptions of "God" in the Bible. The only real question is whether or not a line can be drawn between the Old and the New Testament.

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Exd 32:8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

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neither was the golden calf.

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Exd 32:8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

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The golden calf incedent is one in a long long list of incidents demonstrating that it was actually impossible for man to be justified before God by keeping God's law.The law is good, holy, spiritual, and just. But fallen man cannot be justified by keeping the law of God. The law of God exposes the sin poisoned man's inability to live up to that standard of God's law.Even if you could keep the law from this day forward for the rest of your life, you would still have the transgressions of the past on your record. Let alone the golden calf worship, even to not covet, to not jealously desire what another has is quite impossible for sinners to do. The golden calf was an idol.Messiah was the one God incarnate whom Israel pierced and upon Whom they will weep as for a firstborn son when they one day realize what they have done."And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and of supplications; and they will look upon Me, whom they have pierced; and they will wail over Him with wailing as for an only son and cry bitterly over Him with bitter crying as for a firstborn son" (Zechariah 12:10)The Speaker is God who in the previous verse says - "And in that day I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem" (verse 9). And the "Me" of verse 10 is the Speaker, God - "they will look upon Me, whom they have pierced ...". And they will wail over Him - God incarnate as the Messiah Jesus.This incarnate pierced God-man is the final hope of Jerusalem and the source of Israel's repentence and awakening to reality and the true meaning of history. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

I see your point about that verse.

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It's a picture of a jealous "God", not a unique God.

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In other passages He says quite a bit about He being the only God. He even says that there is no God besides Him and that He knows of no other."Thus says Jehovah the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts. I am the First and I am the Last, And apart from Me there is no God." (Isa. 44:6)"And you are My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Or is there any [other] Rock? I do not know of [any]?" (Isa. 44:8)The so-called other gods of the nations were demons. They were evil spirits pretending to be gods (Deut. 32:17; Lev.17:7; 2 Chron.11:15; Psalm 106:37)

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It's yet another indication that the "God" described in the Bible is just a reflection of human ideas. There are many different descriptions of "God" in the Bible. The only real question is whether or not a line can be drawn between the Old and the New Testament.

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I have started to do that with the Zechriah passages. God tells the Jews that they will look upon "Me" Whom they have pierced and mourn for "Him" the incarnated God as thier Messiah.

"And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and of supplications; and they will look upon Me, whom they have pierced; and they will wail over Him with wailing as for an only son and cry bitterly over Him with bitter crying as for a firstborn son" (Zech. 12:10)Repentant Israel will wail over Christ as the Only Son of God -"No one has ever seen God; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him] (John 1:18)"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that everyone who believes into Him would not perish, but would have eternal life" (John 3:16)This is the only Son over Whom Israel will wail over in realization that He is their God and Messiah. What a day that will be!And they will cry bitterly over Him as the firstborn Son of God -"Because those whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the Firstborn among many brothers" (Rom. 8:29)"And when He brings again the Firstborn into the inhabited earth, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him.' " (Hebrews 1:6)And this is the Firstborn Son of God over Whom Israel will bitterly cry in realization that He is their Messiah. Christ being the only begotten Son is for us to be redeemed and to receive eternal life (John 3:14-16). Christ becomming the firstborn Son through His death and resurrection (Rom. 1:3-4) is for us to become sons of God as heirs to inherit all the riches of what God is. That is to receive and participate in the riches of His Spirit within us that we could enjoy the Triune God as our life and our Father -"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you have not received a spirit of slavery [bringing you] into fear again, but you have received a spirit of sonship in which we cry Abba, Father! The Spirit Himself witnesses wity our spirit that we are children of God. And if children, heirs also; on the one hand, heirs of God; on the other, joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him that we may also be glorified with Him" (Rom 8:14-16)"For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus ... And if you are of Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise" (Galatians 3:26,29).In thier repentence Israel will realize that as the only begotten Son Christ has redeemed them and has brought them eternal life and that as the firstborn Son He has made them heirs to inherit the riches of the Triune God as their enjoyment.And the land will wail, every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the Shimeites by itself, and their wives by themselves ..." (Zech. 12:12,13)Zechariah uses three kinds of families to illustrate this repentence. The royal family of David is represented by David and Nathan. The priesthood family is represented by Levi. And the evil family of an evil man (Shimei, who cursed David - 2 Sam. 16:5-8) is represented by Shimei.This is an illustration that all those who look upon Christ, the pierced One, the pierced incarnated God as the Redeemer, will wail over Him with a repentant spirit.

That's the whole point: other passages don't agree. The question is: are the different "Gods" described in the Bible all descriptions of the same God? We're not talking about the "other gods". We're only talking about the Hebrew/Christian God and His attitude toward those "other gods". In one place He says He doesn't want to hear about them. In another place He says they don't exist (i.e. they are not real gods).Handwaving the "other gods" away as demons doesn't answer the discrepancy. (Nor does the existence of external "demons" tally with God being all-powerful.)But the focus of the topic is on differences between the Old Testament and the New Testament - i.e. between the Jewish God and the Christian God - not on internal discrepancies in the Old Testament. A lot of people have piercings - not just One. But this isn't yet another topic on whether or not Jesus was the Messiah foretold in the Old Testament. It's a topic about the similarities and/or differences between the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament. Edited by Ringo, : Corrected shift-key malfunction.Edited by Ringo, : Corrected author malfunction.

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Sounds perfectly consistent to me. What internal discrepencies? That God didn't want to hear about those "gods" who were not the true God?Shrug. Okay back to the focus of the topic. The One Who was pierced in this passage is the Speaker who is Jehovah the God of Israel. The chapter begins this way:"The burden of the word of Jehovah concerning Israel. Thus declares Jehovah ..." (Zech 12:1)So the pierced One is not just any pierced one:"And in that day I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem ... and they will look upon Me whom they have pierced ..." (See verse 9,10)Now what I think a more problematic verse may be in the next chapter where the one wounded with the piercing says that he is no prophet. But as it stands there is no way to deny that the speaker Jehovah God is saying that He is the one who was pierced by houses of Israel.In the following chapter we are told more about the one pierced. And here there are some challenges to what I propose."And in that day the prophets will each be ashamed of his vision when he prophesies; and they will not wear a hairy garment in order to deceive. But He will say, I am no prophet; I am a tiller of the ground; for a man sold Me in My youth.

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And someone will say to Him, What are these wounds between Your arms? And He will say, Those with which I was wounded in the house of those who love Me" (Zech 13:4-6).The Messiah was to be the Prophet that Moses said would be like him. But this wounded one says that he is no prophet. I am surprised that no one has yet proposed that Zechariah 13:5,6 proves that the pierced one wounded between the arms could not be the messianic Prophet promised by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:15-19.The one wounded says that he is no prophet. So how could he be the Prophet who was to come and be like Moses in authority?Don't say I never gave you any amunition to debate me Ringo. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.