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cloud_strife
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Message 1 of 112 (97538)
04-03-2004 3:48 PM


http://www.seeking-god.co.uk/id36.htm
Hey guys, just wanted to see what you thought about this. I'm discussing how dinosaurs could not have been alive with Noah in the flood. And he showed me this link. I'm not sure how credible this is, or if any of it is true.

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Finniss
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Message 2 of 112 (97557)
04-03-2004 5:41 PM


I would say it's not very credible. I can show you the same evidence that extra terrestrials exist with "historical" sightings. Though I would not be terribly surprised if we did find out some similar species lived into the time whens humans walked the earth. It's very possible but the problem is that there is no good evidence yet.

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coffee_addict
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Message 3 of 112 (97567)
04-03-2004 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Finniss
04-03-2004 5:41 PM


According to some legends, Alexander the Great was able to conquer the world because of a shiny object in the sky that shot rays at his opponents' cities and make them fall. According to that website's logic, we can conclude that aliens helped Alexander the Great to conquer the world.
Here is another one. My little nephew a week ago said that he believed in dragons because he saw one in his church. Therefore, there is a dragon inside his church. By the way, he's 3.
Here is something else. According to the Greek Mythologies, the Olympian Gods lived on Mt. Olympus. Therefore, if we climb up there now, we should be able to meet those Gods.
Everything on that website, and I do mean EVERYTHING, was based on legends, folk tales, and fairy tales. So far, there is no picture of any dragon that I have seen that could fit with the physical appearance we got from fossiles. I just don't see any connection between dinosaurs and dragons. So what if both of them are big in description? So what if both of them can fly?
Given that some legendary creatures that were thought to not exist have been found in recent years-- giant squids, sea serpents, etc... But that only proves that we don't know enough about this world to make any such assertion.
Anyway, just some reasons why you shouldn't take that website very seriously.
[This message has been edited by Lam, 04-03-2004]

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Wertbag
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Message 4 of 112 (97733)
04-04-2004 9:42 PM


Many of the connections are pure guess work, but there are also answers to quite a few of the points on that site.
Firstly it is believed that different cultures found dinosaur skulls but not complete skeletons. When an artist is presented a skull and told to guess what the rest of it looks like you end up with the vast differences in dragons from legend. If you notice the head of the Chinese dragon is very similar to the head of the english dragon yet almsot everything from the neck down differs.
The same thing happened with the unicorn, the first explorer into africa sent a letter to the queen of england saying "I've seen a creature, its the size of a horse, grey in colour with a horn in the middle of its face". The court artist drew what he could from the discription and got a horse with a horn, quite different from the rhino the explorer was attempting to describe.
"Alexander the Great, when he went to India, saw a large reptile which was over 30 metres long, that the Indians kept in a cave". Good example of what most of the stories listed do, which is to have a terrible description and then try and fit dinosaur to it. A large reptile could be a snake or a crocidle, its just too vague to know.
"Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feed on grass like an ox. What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. He ranks first among the works of God... Job 40:15-19
Some people say that this description is of an elephant or a hippopotamus, but they do not have tails like the thick, massive trunks of cedar trees!"
The description doesn't say its tail is the size of a cedar tree, just that is sways like one. Matches an elephant quite well...

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Denesha
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Message 5 of 112 (97826)
04-05-2004 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by cloud_strife
04-03-2004 3:48 PM


Hi there,
I want to react firmly. It happens in some time!
In your suggested link:
1 Some Aborigines have reported seeing a dinosaur like creature.
Placing this "evidence" in pole position of the dubious fairies and taking account that the meaning of Aborigene couldn't be other than Australian, this is an insult to their culture. There are various different lizards in Australia. Some are quite larges (Goannas)...
See here: http://flyaqis.mov.vic.gov.au/cgi-bin/texhtml?form=bio_lizg
Any large lizard looks like a dinosaur if you stand on light superficial features.
I have a good advice for those attempting to dirt Native Australian culture by implicating them in questionable "evidences":
Aborigene culture is 40.000 year old in perfect harmony with the environment. Please respect them and avoid spreading such stupidities.
More here: http://www.didjshop.com...
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Denesha
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roxrkool
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Message 6 of 112 (97854)
04-05-2004 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by coffee_addict
04-03-2004 6:03 PM


Your post reminds me of the time I went to a fossil exhibit and saw a cave bear skeleton standing on it's back legs. It looked eerily like a giant human. Had the head not been there, I can easily see how a farmer or hunter/gatherer could mistake it for a giant's skeleton.
I couldn't say for sure, but my feeling is that the dragon myth originated from dinosaur fossil finds. People who are not familiar with the anatomy of any animal can envision a multitude of things - most of them wrong. Show a plesiosaur skeleton to someone who's never seen one and then have them draw what they think the animal might have looked like alive - I bet someone would draw somthing resembling a dragon.
But I agree with the gist of your post.

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Message 7 of 112 (98087)
04-06-2004 10:55 AM
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04-05-2004 11:52 AM


First Fossil Hunters
There is a book you might be interested in called
The First Fossil Hunters, by Adrienne Mayor that deals with greeks and their contemporaries finding massive fossils and their relationship to the greek myths of griffins, cyclops and giants.
After reading the book I was struck by the possibilities for dragons from plesiosaurs with fins for wings. Especially if fossil found way inland.
{added by edit}: It is ludicrous imho to think that the ancients were unaware of the fossils of giant creatures when they were lying out on the ground for the first scientific(ish -- those were early days of paleontology) expeditions to find.
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almeyda
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Message 8 of 112 (105555)
05-05-2004 1:14 PM


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There are literally thousands of dragon stories.The word dinasaur had not yet been invented.Chinese have huge stories.Cave paintings all across the world contain clear drawing,blood cells found in dinasaur bone,bone marrow still fresh,literally hundreds more evidences,Dinasaur fossil practically all scattered around fossils yet these fossils are preserved & minerized all according to Gods version of Creation..But Evolutionists claim they died out millions of yrs ago?..Creationists are bagged because we only fit it with the Bible but Evolution does not accept no fact unless it fits with their frame work and ideology.

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jar
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Message 9 of 112 (105557)
05-05-2004 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by almeyda
05-05-2004 1:14 PM


Re: ...
There are literally thousands of dragon stories.The word dinasaur had not yet been invented.Chinese have huge stories.Cave paintings all across the world contain clear drawing,blood cells found in dinasaur bone,bone marrow still fresh,literally hundreds more evidences,Dinasaur fossil practically all scattered around fossils yet these fossils are preserved & minerized all according to Gods version of Creation..But Evolutionists claim they died out millions of yrs ago?..Creationists are bagged because we only fit it with the Bible but Evolution does not accept no fact unless it fits with their frame work and ideology.
Clavinist.

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JonF
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Message 10 of 112 (105578)
05-05-2004 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by almeyda
05-05-2004 1:14 PM


Re: ...
There are literally thousands of dragon stories.The word dinasaur had not yet been invented. Chinese have huge stories.
So? There are literally thousands of all sorts of stories about non-existent things.
Cave paintings all across the world contain clear drawing
Did you read the thread? Several paintings have been offered as evidence, and the errors have been pointed out. Got any examples of cave paintings that haven't appeared already in this thread?
blood cells found in dinasaur bone,bone marrow still fresh,
My God, you actually believe that garbage?
Blood cells have never been found in dinosaur bones. Fresh bone marrow, or any bone marrow at all, has never been found in dinosaur bone. Slight traces of small pieces of organic molecules that probably once were blood have been found in one unusually well-preserved dinosaur bone. See Claim CC371 and Dino-blood and the Young Earth.
literally hundreds more evidences
Great! Trot 'em out! We want to see them!
Dinasaur fossil practically all scattered around fossils yet these fossils are preserved & minerized all according to Gods version of Creation
Chapter and verse?
Creationists are bagged because we only fit it with the Bible but Evolution does not accept no fact unless it fits with their frame work and ideology.
Almost true; just drop the "and ideology" and substitute "reality" for "their frame work".

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almeyda
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Message 11 of 112 (105584)
05-05-2004 2:01 PM


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lol Sadly and embarrssingly i got no more.I know its out there of course.Ken Ham wrote a fantastic book on it all that i really should buy.The Dinasaur topic i dont really know much about except what i said and maybe a bit more.

  
almeyda
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Message 12 of 112 (105587)
05-05-2004 2:05 PM


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The Flood remember? The flood did the whole quick burial fossil thing.And kept them mineralized.It fits within the 6,000-10,000 yr framework...
"Almost true; just drop the "and ideology" and substitute "reality" for "their frame work"
No because Evolution is a theory remember not fact.And although alot of it is science..Another bunch of it is frameworks,ideologys,interpretations,presuppositions etc..

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jar
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Message 13 of 112 (105590)
05-05-2004 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by almeyda
05-05-2004 2:05 PM


Re: ...
The flood never happened.
BUT if it had, it could still not begin to explain the distribution of fossils.
It fits within the 6,000-10,000 yr framework...
When you go out at night, do you see stars? Have you ever seen the Southern Cross?

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Denesha
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Message 14 of 112 (105605)
05-05-2004 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by jar
05-05-2004 2:11 PM


false extinctions?
Hi there,
I would like to have comments on the fact that "evidences" of dinosaur/human couple exits but I never heard about "evidences" of Trilobite/human or Belemnites/human ect...
Curiously, most people don't know what's a Trilobite or a Belemnite.
This is hightly suspect. A relation must exist to explain that phenomenon.
Denesha

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coffee_addict
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Message 15 of 112 (105606)
05-05-2004 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Denesha
05-05-2004 3:06 PM


Re: false extinctions?
Denesha writes:
Curiously, most people don't know what's a Trilobite or a Belemnite.
Care to tell us what they are?

The Laminator

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