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riVeRraT
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Message 31 of 180 (290013)
02-24-2006 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Minnemooseus
02-22-2006 11:18 AM


Re: Some audio commentary about 9/11 and Christianity
OMG, that gave me a headache. I could only listen to the first 25% of it.

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DeclinetoState
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Message 32 of 180 (305944)
04-22-2006 2:06 PM


Compared to Fred Phelps, Falwell is a pussycat
At his God Hates Fags and God Hates America sites, Fred Phelps (supposedly an Independent Baptist, but some probably would say he's not even a true Christian) blames every evil event on that happens to a country on its sinfulness, especially its tolerance of homosexuals and homosexuality. Strangely, when Iran had its recent earthquake, I couldn't find Phelps blaming their attitude toward homosexuals, unlike his hate-filled responses to the tsunami in Asia. Perhaps this is because Iran, while a non-Christian nation, hangs homosexuals.

Never overestimate the intelligence of someone who thinks you're wrong.

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Phat
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Message 33 of 180 (306401)
04-25-2006 4:01 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by DeclinetoState
04-22-2006 2:06 PM


farewell to fundie politics
Clevr Alias writes:
This question is for anyone who feels the same way Mr. Falwell does.
Oops. That leave me out! The only thing as bad as Jerry Fallwell is Jerry Springer!
Dan writes:
If God is willing to slam airplanes into buildings to express his displeasure with homosexuals, then why is he not willing to, say, cause it to rain on the day of a massive gay pride parade?
The flowers need water and some of the guys need a bath!
Alias writes:
So God's willing to take an active, murderous (or at least manslaughterous) hand in the fate of America because of our attitude toward homosexuals, but he won't whistle up a storm cloud or two to send everybody home when we come out to say "gays are ok"? I mean, c'mon... as far as discouraging people goes, there's a reason the phrase "rain on their parade" is a classic.
The rain falls on the just and the unjust alike. Expecting it to produce some flowers and trees out of the dirt and manure on the ground!
we have not had any good gay rights threads since Lam left!
Maybe you should start one, Dan!

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ohnhai
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Message 34 of 180 (306407)
04-25-2006 4:27 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by crashfrog
06-29-2004 3:07 AM


LOL
you would think an inteligent man would get the hint... oh wait never mind.

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ohnhai
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Message 35 of 180 (306408)
04-25-2006 4:32 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by riVeRraT
06-30-2004 9:04 AM


dude. No God or Devil does this to us. We do. Out of supidity, hate, greed, fear and intollerance. There is no reason to invoke higherpowers in any of it.

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Phat
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Message 36 of 180 (306435)
04-25-2006 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by ohnhai
04-25-2006 4:32 AM


The Devil did NOT make me do it
Ohnhai writes:
No God or Devil does this to us. We do. Out of supidity, hate, greed, fear and intollerance. There is no reason to invoke higherpowers in any of it.
Taking responsibility for the decisions that I make! What a concept!
I won't rule out the possibility of a spiritual "warfare" dynamic, as I have believed that it does occur.
I WILL say: (For the record)
1) We become the decisions that we make.
2) God desires that we trust Him....but He has given us minds for a reason, after all! The scripture says:
NIV writes:
Prov 3:5-7
Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
in all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make your paths straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes;
fear the LORD and shun evil.

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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 37 of 180 (306447)
04-25-2006 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Phat
04-25-2006 4:01 AM


Re: farewell to fundie politics
Oops. That leave me out! The only thing as bad as Jerry Fallwell is Jerry Springer!
Jerry Springer is awesome. He has a really good political talk radio show

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ohnhai
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Message 38 of 180 (306451)
04-25-2006 9:11 AM
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04-25-2006 8:21 AM


Re: The Devil did NOT make me do it
How does that indicate he gave us minds? Surely Prov 3:5-7 (as quoted) says ”don’t make you own mind up on this or anything, do only as the lord says, or he will spank you?’. Where is mind, or free will for that matter in any of that?

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Phat
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Message 39 of 180 (306456)
04-25-2006 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by ohnhai
04-25-2006 9:11 AM


If I may address the issue of the source
At the risk of causing this topic to spiral out of control, I want to address the issue of the source of wisdom for a moment.
Of course, Falwell (and others) claim God as their source of wisdom yet all too often use their own fallible and biased opinions when speaking out in public.
Ohnhai writes:
Surely Prov 3:5-7 (as quoted) says ”don’t make you own mind up on this or anything, do only as the lord says, or he will spank you?’. Where is mind, or free will for that matter in any of that?
Quite simply, I am showcasing two basic views on free will and mind:
View#1: Free Will is unencumbered by religious dogma and the imposition of ethics or morality on a freely thinking individual.
View#2: Presupposing that God exists, is loving, and wants the best for us within His basic commandment of Love the Lord with all thine heart, soul, mind, and strength... Freewill is more narrowly defined as freedom to obey or reject an absolute.
Ohnhai, you well know that we have gotten into these issues concerning God (Is He or Is He not?) religion (legislation of morality or exclusion of any religion from public education)
and free speech (the right to speak versus the right to hear or not hear in context...)
and you know we will be discussing these same things many years from now! I enjoy the interchange, however! How ya doin, by the way?
Drop by chat this morning if you have a spare moment!

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ohnhai
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Message 40 of 180 (306459)
04-25-2006 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Phat
04-25-2006 9:26 AM


Re: If I may address the issue of the source
-bows- Doing fine.. will pop into chat some time soon...

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Dan Carroll
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Message 41 of 180 (306460)
04-25-2006 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Phat
04-25-2006 4:01 AM


Re: farewell to fundie politics
The rain falls on the just and the unjust alike.
Okay. But the thread in question was started... jeez, almost two years ago... on the premise that God intentionally flings the occasional rain of sulfur on the wicked. This is why the "(and those who agree with him)" is included.
If you don't agree with him, then we're on the same page.

"We had survived to turn on the History Channel
And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied:
You're what happens when two substances collide
And by all accounts you really should have died."
-Andrew Bird

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simple 
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Message 42 of 180 (311590)
05-12-2006 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dan Carroll
06-28-2004 1:34 PM


quote:
So God's willing to take an active, murderous (or at least manslaughterous) hand in the fate of America because of our attitude toward homosexuals, but he won't whistle up a storm cloud or two to send everybody home when we come out to say "gays are ok"? I mean, c'mon... as far as discouraging people goes, there's a reason the phrase "rain on their parade" is a classic.
God rained on Sodom. Your opinion is at odds with His there. There may come a time for direct judgement, but I think what is now happeneing there is this. God withdraws His protection, and bad things happen. He allows it, in that He can't cover them with His wings of protection, because they placed themselves in a position of disobedience.
If a parent sees a teen move to another city, against his will, how can he prevent bad things from happening, to the same extent as if they were closer, and in the right spirit?

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Buzsaw
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Message 43 of 180 (311658)
05-12-2006 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by MrHambre
06-29-2004 2:52 PM


Fallwell Wrong: Lysimachus Right
Mr. Hambre: "We seem to have a believer with similar views among us. Just today, Lysimachus posted these words in the Bible Prophecy thread. I clicked it by mistake, honest."
Lysimachus writes:
God blessed America because it was founded on Christian principles (even though there were many unchristian principles intermingled). However, I want you to notice a trend. The more America begins to bring down the morals of this country, the more God's Holy Spirit will be withdrawn from this nation and will be less protected. As America continues to decline (i.e. by allowing gay marriages to finally take full sway nation wide), terrorism will begin to increase, and the security of this nation will begin to decline as far as providing the necessary security for this country. This nation will begin to rapidly decline, and it will be no longer a country of safety.
God is trying to tell America to wake up, but instead, are drifting away from moral principles. The more America drifts away from moral principles, the more you will see danger and insecurity increase.
Mr. Hambre: "So don't let anyone say that only rich televangelists can make ridiculous, homophobic, illogical pronouncements. The rank and file seem to be quite capable of doing so themselves."
Buzsaw: Though I agree with much about Dr. Falwell, there's a significant amount of him I do not buy, including his blame for 9/11 on the deviant lifestyles, et al.
Unlike Falwell, Lysimachus wisely places the blame on America perse. God is not pleased with America for tolerating the deviant practices et al which according to his words he detests and loaths. We're all in this as a nation. We all allowed the morals of America to deterioriate. The majority of us have voted for the ones in power under who's watch the laws were made, amended and promoted. We Christians have been remiss in our duty to intercede in prayer and activism, et al. Falwell, don't blame the deviants from Biblical principles. We have failed to evangelize them with the truth and the gospel. Our poultry, eggs and dairy products are loaded with female hormones to fatten and raise production to satisfy our greed for money and convenience. There is evidence showing that this is a factor in homosexual tendencies.
Edit to fix error
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Coragyps
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Message 44 of 180 (311659)
05-12-2006 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Buzsaw
05-12-2006 10:53 PM


Re: Fallwell Wrong: Lysimachus Right
God is not pleased with America for tolerating the deviant practices et al which according to his words he detests and loaths.
Especially allowing Red Lobster and Catfish King to openly vend their scaleless abominations. And letting corporations pay workers every couple of weeks instead of before sunset. Those just irritate the hell outta the Big Guy.
Don't even get Him started on bacon cheeseburgers.....

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Buzsaw
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Message 45 of 180 (311661)
05-12-2006 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by simple
05-12-2006 8:35 PM


Right on, Whisper
Whisper writes:
God rained on Sodom. Your opinion is at odds with His there. There may come a time for direct judgement, but I think what is now happeneing there is this. God withdraws His protection, and bad things happen.
Exactly. It's not just 9/11. It's all over America, one place at a time pretty much covering the whole nation. You can see it from Katrina, to the interior breadbasket states and from all the coastlines. God's protection on America is being withdrawn exactly as fortold by the prophets of old pertaining to the last days of apostacy before the prophesied soon coming 2nd advent of Jesus to judge and to rule the world in righteousness. The wrath of God is emerging upon the planet and this is only the beginning!

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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