Is Jesus of 'Cursed Lineage'

purpledawn, The Lord is speaking through Isaiah (verse 18). The New testament talks of the Father giving them the Son. It says that the Lord said to my Lord come sit at my right hand till I make thine enemies thy footstool. kjv psalm 110:1.I pretty much feel were almost to the point of arguing words. I'm not a theologian, but it seems you are bringing up God's Words in relation to the relationship of the Father to the Son. kjv Luk 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. kjv 1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. kjv Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. kjv Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Your programs must run as smooth as silk dude.Brian.

man and woman were made at the same time, genesis 1:27.also, you're still missing it. luke was not using the term of "son of god" the way the hebrews did, he was using it to refer to creator. my bible says YHWH did it. que?

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Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

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Psa 68:5 A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, [is] God in his holy habitation.

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Psa 89:20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:
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Psa 89:26,27 He shall cry unto me, Thou [art] my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. Also I will make him [my] firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.

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Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

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if christ is king of everything, he is king of babylon as well. which would make his title lucifer. the verse in revelation may indeed be a reference to usurping the throne of babylon, since alot of the book deals with babylon metaphorically.i think your problem is that you're confusing lucifer with satan, who also isn't the devil.

neither is accurate. both skip generations.next? it's one of the quirks of judaism that tradition favors the youngest son. i'm pretty sure that after solomon, the line of first borns is established in judah. if you wanna check that, please do. i'm not sure myself. tradition, at least. no, i think i said that these were thing implied from the texts (such as god favoring the youngest). rehoboam was the first born, i think, and jeroboam the second, at the splitting of the kingdom, and bible clearly favors rehoboam and judah, and scorns israel.

lets do it.

yes, the but isaiah is someone reporting what isaiah said god said. matthew is even worse, it's matthew incorrectly quoting and applying what someone reported that isaiah said god said.god's words may be perfect, but the bible is not directly god's words.the evidence is that matthew made an error. you can't just keep quoting the same passages over and over when people have already explained them to you. it's not private interpretation -- it's reading comprehension.

Genesis 1:27 simply agrees with you that God created them male and female however it doesn't say he created them at the same time. Genesis chapter 2 explains he created the woman from the man. I agree he created both the man and the woman. That God did it,that nothing that was made was made without the Word. That the Word became flesh becoming the second Adam, the baptizer of the Holy Ghost kjv John 1:33 that he is the Son of God kjv John 1:34 I agree that the Father sent his Son from heaven to the earth kjv John 3:16-17. I guess were in agreement on this verse.This message has been edited by Tom, 01-08-2005 11:19 AM

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but it seems you are bringing up God's Words in relation to the relationship of the Father to the Son.

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Then you would be incorrect. I was discussing the boy that God used as a sign to Ahaz.Your incoherent use of verses makes a discussion impossible and quite obviously you don't know what we are discussing, so our discussion is concluded.Good day.

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

yeah it does. on day six. it also conflicts with genesis 2, which is where it says that man and woman were made separately. but we've had this discussion before. read the whole psalm, please. it's david's coronation psalm, the son in question is david, as he is installed as king on zion.you failed to reply to the other mentions of david calling god his father.

I see it more as Isaiah writing down what God said, not what isaiah said god said. This is why prophecy never fails, its not of private interpretation. kjv 2Pe 1:20 The bible says they are pure Words and that God will preserve them for all generations. kjv psalm 12:6-7. I do agree with you that we should never add or take away from Gods Word. kjv Revelation 22:19. Gail Riplinger explains within her book New Age Bible Versions why the Matthew geneologies say that Josaia begat Jechonias as being that God means what he says he says, he took Jehoiakims name out of the gospel of Matthew.kjv Jer 26:1 http://www.av1611.org/kjv/counterfeit.html

Ahaz son was called by a different name, but agree that this is about the binding of this prophecy, so it would become a stumbling to the nation of Israel. Jesus Christ is being called Emmanuel by Christians every time they say they are one one in Christ.

I have no problem with Adam and Eve both being created on Day 6 and that Genesis chapter 2 should be read in context with Genesis chapter 1. I read the whole psalm chapter 2 and it reads to me that Jesus Christ will sit on the throne of Zion when he returns. This prophecy extends beyond the tribulation to the second coming of the Lord when he will rule the nations with a rod of iron. kjv psalm 2:9 & kjv revelation 19:15.I think were to the point of arguing words. So in parting I'll simply agree that we disagree.kjv Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.kjv Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

except that prophesy DOES fail. it often failed in time to revised while the bible was still being written. see the promise of the davidic line of kings that got interrupted by the exile. there's a failed prophesy right there.also, read the very first verse in the book of isaiah. "prophesied," past tense, and "the words of." not the way you start you'd start your own book. isaiah's book was written by one his followers, or compiled from his notes. but not directly written by isaiah himself.also, the last dozen chapters or so aren't even the same isaiah. supposing that was right, which it's not, it's still circular logic. the bible says that the bible is the perfect word of god. yeah, real good proof.but aside from that, the "words of the lord" in that verse are referring specifically the promise god gave the poor in the verse directly preceding. it's not talking about even the book of psalms, let alone the bible as we have it today. it's just talking about god's specific promise, and maybe generally all of god's promises. *cough cough sputter*

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Deu 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

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yeah. that kind of rules out revelation. however, you ignored what i was saying. let me put it like this.

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use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

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you're not gonna get heard just repeating yourself. especially when we've already explained how you're wrong.

except that it's written in first person, hundreds of years before jesus. it's not prophesy, it's a song about david.

Hi A, Last I heard there is likely to be three authors of the book of Isaiah, with chapters 40-55 written by Deutero-Isaiah , and chapters 56-66 by Trito-Isaiah.Brian.