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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 76 of 302 (452661)
01-30-2008 11:13 PM


Bid To Save Topic
A quick review of the last ten posts or so show very low quality posts that of course have nothing to do with the topic. In a bid to save this topic I offer the following:
Superiority Of Genesis
Evolutionary superiority is the chosen title of this topic and I interpret this to mean that evolutionists really believe their theory to be superior over Creationism. Well, let's look at the facts and see:
1. Evolution is an interpretation of physical evidence.
2. Creationism is based on the Textual evidence of Genesis chapters one and two, and an interpretation of the same physical evidence that evolution relies upon. According to all polling data over half of all adults in the U.S. are creationists.
It is my contention that anytime a theory is based strictly on physical evidence that this type of theory is inferior. It is inferior because physical evidence can be interpreted anyway that bias requires it to be interpreted.
It is also my contention that a theory based on the Textual evidence of Genesis is superior because the two chapters at issue require infinetly less interpretation than physical evidence. Genesis one and two, whatever they actually say, are communicating that living things owe their existence to direct Divine power. Am I saying these two chapters require no interpretation? No, I did not say that. I summarized what they convey for the origin of living things and contend that this evidence requires far less interpreting than physical evidence; AND the Textual evidence at issue here (chapters one and two) is infinetly more bias proof than physical evidence which can easily be manipulated to say whatever one needs it to say. Based on these arguments and points, Creationism is superior and Evolution inferior.
Example: Genesis says living things haved a sudden special creation beginning. This claim is corroborated scientifically by the Cambrian explosion. In fact, we could not ask for better physical evidence confirming Genesis special creation. We have literary corresponding to physical (= scientific fact). If evolution were true, the Cambrian explosion should not even exist.
To reiterate: the Textual evidence is more bias proof than physical evidence because physical evidence can be interpreted anyway that one needs it to be interpreted. Whereas the Textual evidence is not so. This evidence cannot be legitimately interpreted to say anything other than sudden beginnings out of nowhere accomplished by direct Divine power. Interpretation is spectacularly corroborated by the Cambrian explosion. Now we see why half of all adults in the U.S. are creationists - because Creationism is superior to Evolutionism. Evolution interpretation of the Cambrian explosion, based on these arguments, is exposed to be false protecting an unjustified bias.
Ray
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Message 77 of 302 (452665)
01-30-2008 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Cold Foreign Object
01-30-2008 11:13 PM


Re: Bid To Save Topic
Cold Foreign Object
Example: Genesis says living things haved a sudden special creation beginning. This claim is corroborated scientifically by the Cambrian explosion. In fact, we could not ask for better physical evidence confirming Genesis special creation. We have literary corresponding to physical (= scientific fact). If evolution were true, the Cambrian explosion should not even exist.
You seem to be misunderstanding what the Cambrian explosion was.
Wikipedia
Cambrian explosion
The Cambrian explosion describes the geologically sudden appearance of hard-bodied animals in the fossil record, around . This is accompanied by a profound diversification of life on Earth. Prior to around , organisms were on the whole simple, comprised of individual cells occasionally organised into colonies. Over the subsequent 70-80 million years, the rate of evolution would accelerate by an order of magnitude, and the diversity of life would begin to resemble today's.
Life had occured before the Cambrian explosion. Just that life was much simpler.

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Message 78 of 302 (452678)
01-31-2008 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by teen4christ
01-29-2008 7:29 PM


And now....a word from our sponsor.
1 Corinthians 14
Gifts of Prophecy and Tongues
1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. 3But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. 4He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.
6Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me. 12So it is with you. Since you are eager to have spiritual gifts, try to excel in gifts that build up the church.
13For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind. 16If you are praising God with your spirit, how can one who finds himself among those who do not understand say "Amen" to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying? 17You may be giving thanks well enough, but the other man is not edified.
18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
20Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21In the Law it is written:
"Through men of strange tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.
22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. 23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understand comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, 25and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, "God is really among you!"
Orderly Worship
26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two”or at the most three”should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God.
29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.
As in all the congregations of the saints, 34women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
36Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. 38If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.
39Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.
I don't see anything there that would drastically change the fact that women are not allowed to speak in church and that it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church.
1 Corinthians 14
Gifts of Prophecy and Tongues
1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. 3But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. 4He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.
6Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me. 12So it is with you. Since you are eager to have spiritual gifts, try to excel in gifts that build up the church.
13For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind. 16If you are praising God with your spirit, how can one who finds himself among those who do not understand say "Amen" to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying? 17You may be giving thanks well enough, but the other man is not edified.
18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
20Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21In the Law it is written:
"Through men of strange tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.
22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. 23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understand comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, 25and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, "God is really among you!"
Orderly Worship
26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two”or at the most three”should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God.
29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.
As in all the congregations of the saints, 34women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
36Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. 38If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.
39Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.
Teen4Christ.
First, let me say that I think you have a very bright future.
Nice job bringin out the whole thing chapter and verse, considering as how it relates to the topic at hand and all.
I hope some folks took the time to read it.
As for this little side track Taz laid out you say:
I don't see anything there that would drastically change the fact that women are not allowed to speak in church and that it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church.
Now when a person can't see stuff it can help to take a step back.
Or look closer.
For example, when I read the above statement I see that we are exactly two words away from agreement.
Two.
If you will indulge me I will slightly alter your statement and make it (in my opinion) perfectly agreeable.
I don't see anything there that would drastically change the fact that women were not allowed to speak in church and that it was disgraceful for a woman to speak in church.
There, now we're gettin somewhere.
Look at this,
They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission,
More closely.
as the Law says.
Now,as far as I know,there ain't no law round these parts that says anything at all about womenfolk speakin in church.
So to me,
that passage says,
specifically,
that women can in fact speak in church provided it is legal to do so.
So you be cafefull out there and don't you be lettin that big city education make you feel better than other folks.

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Message 79 of 302 (452685)
01-31-2008 1:17 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Hill Billy
01-31-2008 12:50 AM


Re: And now....a word from our sponsor.
I started a thread on this here so you no longer need to bring your topic off course. Take your explanation there once it has been promoted and we can discuss about it there.

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Hill Billy
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Message 80 of 302 (452689)
01-31-2008 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by nator
01-29-2008 10:19 PM


Nator!
Glad you could drop by.
If you feel less because you can't do that, that's not my problem.
Now where in the world would anybody get the idea that I feel less about anything? Seriously, have you actually read anything I've written here?
I do give you props for commin over and standin up to the big ol mean hillbilly though.
How do you know he has learned something?
Do you have enough knowledge of conformation, breeding, nutrition, training, riding, competing etc. to be able to compare his knowledge and mine?
Well,here Larni offers up kind of a repeatable experiment so to speak.
I grew up with them and have many years of experience with crazy skittish beasts
One repeated by me.
Anyone that spends time with horses is likely to describe them as just that, skittish.
You do realize that the person jumping the horse in my avatar photo is me, right?
Well, now I do.
Feel better?
I hope so, cause when you say:
I didn't start this thread, you know.
I gotta wonder.
Nator, really, did you read the OP?
Without that quote this thread would not exist.
You are my muse.
Get used to it.

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Hill Billy
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Message 81 of 302 (452694)
01-31-2008 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Dr Adequate
01-29-2008 7:03 PM


I don't want no sissy coffee, all that foam and stuff.
Dr.Eh?
Well, dammit, I'm only human.
The trick is to keep that in the front of your mind and not just pull it out when you need an excuse.

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Message 82 of 302 (452696)
01-31-2008 2:15 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Larni
01-30-2008 9:44 AM


Re: Refill please.
Larni asks me:
How do you think degrees are attained? By lottery?
You might wanna brace yourself.
See, I'm not sure how many folks are alive on this planet, but precious few are fortunate enough to be born into the privileged position that allows for higher education.
Any education in fact.
So.
Unless you some how managed to pick who you were gonna be before you were you......... you won the lottery.

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Hill Billy
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Message 83 of 302 (452699)
01-31-2008 2:28 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by pelican
01-30-2008 12:29 AM


Hey, that's not bad!
Heinrik
answer my bloody question
I admit it took some time.
But when I got it I laughed.
So, yes, it is.
Edited by Hill Billy, : Why not?

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Message 84 of 302 (452704)
01-31-2008 3:33 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Hill Billy
01-31-2008 2:15 AM


It becomes clear....i
I get it now: you have a grudge on behalf of all the people who don't have as much as people who have more.
All the people who were born in a country that does not have as much as the developed world now have a champion who can 'tell it like it is' and put a 'hurting' on all those heartless bastard who through no fault of their own have the opportunity to take advantage of the opportunities thier country can provide.
From this imbalance you conclude that these 'lotto winners' (and I don't dispute that these lucky few are lucky) look down our 'high faluting noses' what with our 'fancy book learning'.
I call bullshit.
Can I surmise that you choose your name to identify with these poor unlucky people? Is your conclusion generated my your belief that 'us bookworms' do look down on you?
We see in other people what we see in our self and I leanrt that from 'fancy book learning and the school of 'hard knocks'.
Your position is that of an embittered person, lamenting missed opportunities and blaming other people for said missed opportunities.
I hope this is not the actual case.

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Message 85 of 302 (452714)
01-31-2008 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Hill Billy
01-31-2008 2:15 AM


Hill Billy writes:
See, I'm not sure how many folks are alive on this planet, but precious few are fortunate enough to be born into the privileged position that allows for higher education.
True. In the highly religious countries of what used to be called the third world, many don't even get the chance to learn how to use written language. Believing in all kinds of creation myths is standard in such societies.
But haven't you ever noticed that those who are educated tend to be the ones pushing for the spread of education, for increased education budgets, etc.? Far from being an elite, guarding their precious information, they tend to want to spread it. All the "first world" countries are countries which made great strides in spreading education throughout the population in an attempt to achieve universal literacy and numeracy during the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, from this one in the west to Japan in the east. Education is arguably the underlying secret of producing these high life expectancy low infant mortality "privileged" societies.
The gift of literacy is an enormously important one, and once achieved, it leaves us as individuals with the choice of whether and to what extent we use it. By definition, everyone participating in EvC is literate, and therefore we have access to a mountain of information.
If you want to play the poor, uneducated, under-privileged working class guy, go ahead. But I left the formal education system at age 16, never to return, and went to work, common in this country in my generation. And I say that once people are truly literate, then there's no excuse for a high level of ignorance of the world around us. It can be regarded as a choice.

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Message 86 of 302 (452720)
01-31-2008 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by bluegenes
01-31-2008 6:31 AM


bluegenes writes:
True. In the highly religious countries of what used to be called the third world, many don't even get the chance to learn how to use written language. Believing in all kinds of creation myths is standard in such societies.
Hey? Like those ignorant catholic Irish who have the best performing economy in Europe because they provide free education at all levels.
bluegenes writes:
But haven't you ever noticed that those who are educated tend to be the ones pushing for the spread of education, for increased education budgets, etc.? Far from being an elite, guarding their precious information, they tend to want to spread it.
Well I live in Australia where the politicians, who received their education for free, are continually changing the laws to make it more and more difficult for the average person to get an education, unless of course, you can cash up front.
And wasn't it the early evolutionists that tried to measure the intelligence of a race based on the size of their skull. Putting themselves on the top of the list.
Edited by LucyTheApe, : grammer

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Message 87 of 302 (452723)
01-31-2008 7:38 AM
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01-30-2008 9:02 PM


Re: seeing self
quote:
In my humble opinion, what is not subtle and has not changed is your putting labels on top of other labels and disregarding the human being underneath.
This is a debate board, not a therapy group.

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Message 88 of 302 (452726)
01-31-2008 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by Hill Billy
01-31-2008 1:45 AM


So, are you going to answer the question or continue to give smartass, posturing responses that are nearly devoid of content?
How do you know if Larni has learned anything about horses, and do you have the expertise to test our comparative knowledge?
If yes, then let's go.
If no, then stop wasting my time and percy's bandwidth.
Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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Message 89 of 302 (452741)
01-31-2008 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by LucyTheApe
01-31-2008 7:21 AM


LucyTheApe writes:
bluegenes writes:
True. In the highly religious countries of what used to be called the third world, many don't even get the chance to learn how to use written language. Believing in all kinds of creation myths is standard in such societies.
Hey? Like those ignorant catholic Irish who have the best performing economy in Europe because they provide free education at all levels.
I did say "the religious countries of the third world." Catholics are not known for their literal belief in creation mythologies, and Ireland's modern economy comes with increasing secularism, and coincides with the removal of religious laws, like those on divorce. It's always been Catholic, and was Catholic for many centuries without a booming economy. Progress is made in spite of lingering superstition, not because of it. The Philippines and central and south America are probably more devoutly Catholic.
And wasn't it the early evolutionists that tried to measure the intelligence of a race based on the size of their skull. Putting themselves on the top of the list.
Racists may well have done that, and probably before 1859 as well as after, but no serious and good scientists of the nineteenth century would have put themselves on the top of the list, because the results wouldn't have!
If you're going to start on an "evolutionists are racists" tack, most people in nineteenth century Europe would be considered racist by today's standard, and the overwhelming majority of the population were Christian, so you can do the maths on that. And in the very Christian eighteenth century, when it could still be dangerous not being a Christian, there was the wonderful Christian slave trade, run entirely by practising Christians, and also the beginnings of the takeover of your continent at the expense of its "heathen savages".
Have you ever met an indigenous Tasmanian?
It's a bit like trying to meet an indigenous Caribbean Islander (wiped out by good Catholics, not educated by them).
Well I live in Australia where the politicians, who received their education for free, are continually changing the laws to make it more and more difficult for the average person to get an education, unless of course, you can cash up front.
I was talking about intelligent educated people wanting to spread education, not politicians.

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Message 90 of 302 (452759)
01-31-2008 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by bluegenes
01-31-2008 9:05 AM


bluegenes writes:
..Ireland's modern economy comes with increasing secularism, and coincides with the removal of religious laws, like those on divorce.
And it's my belief that the apostasy/secularism is a direct result of the materialism that has come about due to the growth of the economy.
bluegenes writes:
Racists may well have done that, and probably before 1859 as well as after, but no serious and good scientists of the nineteenth century would have put themselves on the top of the list, because the results wouldn't have!
Don't we all, even though we may not like to admit it, have a streak of racism. Science is objective, or at least is should be, racism is subjective. It is possible to have a racist scientist.
bluegenes writes:
If you're going to start.. and the overwhelming majority of the population were Christian,...And in the very Christian eighteenth century..,there was the wonderful Christian slave trade, run entirely by practising Christians, and also the beginnings of the takeover of your continent at the expense of its "heathen savages".
A Christian should be judged on what they do, not by what they say. As far as my continent is concerned, it continues.
bluegenes writes:
Have you ever met an indigenous Tasmanian?
No bluegenes, there is no such person. The state of our indigenous people is shameful.

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