Exodus Revealed (Part 2)

I deliberately used the word cult because people get irate about it.Yet if you get the dictionary out it usually leads off with the definition that 'cult' means: See you are so blinded by your dogmatic belief you cannot even use a word correctly and fell for my trap.NOWHERE IS BIBLICAL MENTIONED IN A DICTIONARY DEFINTION OF CULT. You are lost in a non-intellectual morass of dogma. This is why critical thinking and logic are completely lost on you when it comes to sifting through Wyatt's nonsense.NOWHERE IN THE DEFINTION OF CULT IS A CHARISMATIC LEADER MENTIONED.Are you just dumb?More knocking of Cathoilcs yet you belong to a tiny cult based on the babblings of the Whites back in 1863. Your group is an anachronistic bunch of heretics according to most Christian groups.Ellen White - visions from God - probably hopped up more like.You need an education in how to use a dictionary. If all your research is so clumsy no wonder you believe this Wyatt tripe - Mmmm wasn't he a cultist of your ilk too?Your bullshit filter is inoperative.

Charles, it is not right for you to ask the admin to remove Jim's topic. He is addressing issues that were raised concerning the SDA church back in the first thread, and he never had the chance to properly reply. Since that thread is closed, what choice does he have? You don't let people just say things and not reply because it is "off-topic". Let Jim get his reply off his back, and then we can continue back on topic.

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~Lysimachus

Charles, if people are going to use it against him that Ron was an SDA and that they think it's a "cult," then I have the right to defend Ron and show that SDAs are NOT a "cult"!I've done so, now we can go back to the Exodus topic!This message has been edited by JimSDA, 08-04-2004 03:01 PM

Eta_Carinae passionately writes -- "NOWHERE IN THE DEFINTION OF CULT IS A CHARISMATIC LEADER MENTIONED."Oh really?Take a look at point #4 in your definition!"4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator"It's "promulgator" is the charismatic leader!DUH!Jim Jones had his cult -- David Koresh had his cult -- and whether you like it or not, the Catholic Church has its "pope" -- bingo, a leader at the head of the organization that ignores the Bible who claims infalibility when the Bible proves him wrong regarding nearly every doctrine!It's just that simple -- there can be small "cults," and there can be large "cults" -- now can we get back to the topic of this thread?This message has been edited by JimSDA, 08-04-2004 03:14 PMThis message has been edited by JimSDA, 08-04-2004 03:15 PM

Eta_Carinae,I lost a post in response to you because the Admin closed it just as as I hit "submit".I'll try and repeat what I originally said. I said that it is wrong of you to be assuming and comparing Ron's discoveries with SDA's scientific methods. Both the SDA church and other SDA indpendent ministeries disagreed with Ron Wyatt. And although Ron Wyatt believed in SDA doctrines, he was separate from the organization. Ron's discoveries are Ron's discoveries, so don't go comparing them with SDA scientific methods. We have Moller who joined these discoveries, and he is no SDA. Former astronaught Jim Irwin, Bob Cornuke, Larry Williams, Viveke Ponten...none of them are SDA...so bogus with your criticisms.

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See you are so blinded by your dogmatic belief you cannot even use a word correctly and fell for my trap.

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NOWHERE IS BIBLICAL MENTIONED IN A DICTIONARY DEFINTION OF CULT. You are lost in a non-intellectual morass of dogma. This is why critical thinking and logic are completely lost on you when it comes to sifting through Wyatt's nonsense.

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NOWHERE IN THE DEFINTION OF CULT IS A CHARISMATIC LEADER MENTIONED.

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Are you just dumb?

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More knocking of Cathoilcs yet you belong to a tiny cult based on the babblings of the Whites back in 1863. Your group is an anachronistic bunch of heretics according to most Christian groups.

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Ellen White - visions from God - probably hopped up more like.

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You need an education in how to use a dictionary. If all your research is so clumsy no wonder you believe this Wyatt tripe - Mmmm wasn't he a cultist of your ilk too?

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Your bullshit filter is inoperative.

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Your statement is drowning in overwhelming ignorance when it comes to knowing true SDA doctrines. Absolute shame on you for calling the SDA church a "cult", when everyone knows the Catholic church could be technically "considered" the BIGGEST CULT OF ALL! Now I don't go around saying that, but if you technically look at the dictionary definition, you'll see, just as Jim pointed out, that there are "big" cults and "little" cults. Catholics believe that if you don't believe EXACTLY like them, YOU'RE A HERETIC! The SDAs...they've killed persecuted how many people? "0". Statistical analysis shows that the Catholic Church martered, slaughtered, burned to death at the stake, put people on the rack, sawed people in half...a total of 65 Million Christians throughout the entire Dark Ages!Here we have TRUE BIBLE BELIEVING CHRISTIANS WHO ARE TRYING TO WORSHIP GOD...THE HUAUGONAUGHTS, THE WALDENSESE, HUNGARIANS, BOHEMIANS, ALBEGENSESE, ETC. ETC....and the Catholic church just hunted them down like wild animals...smoking them out and killing all the woman and Children.AND YOU THINK THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS NOT A CULT AND THAT WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO REFUTE THEIR BEHAVIORS???What TOTAL FAILURE YOU ARE!This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 08-04-2004 03:12 PMThis message has been edited by Lysimachus, 08-04-2004 03:17 PM

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It says cure of disease. And it does NOT use the word Charismatic.You meant it in the sense of the Moonies - nothing to do with disease.You are wrong. Plus you fell for the trap to begin with because of your dogmatic belief.

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Charles, it is not right for you to ask the admin to remove Jim's topic. He is addressing issues that were raised concerning the SDA church back in the first thread, and he never had the chance to properly reply. Since that thread is closed, what choice does he have?

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Jim can start another thread, just as Charles did.

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You don't let people just say things and not reply because it is "off-topic".

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Yes you do, this is how the threads are set up here.

I'm only doing this because you can't help yourself but slam the pre-eminent Christian church on the planet accounting for some 55% of Christianity - and when you add in the Orthodox and Anglicans some 855 of Christianity.I have nothing really against the SDA church. Sure they seem a tad fundie and some odd beliefs about Sunday' but what the hell.It's just you guys are so full of hatred towards Catholics I wondered how you would like it back. It seems you can give it but not take it. See you do it again. You're mad at me and slam the Catholics. It's so bloody funny that you rubes are so easy to predict.By the way I am not a Catholic, or a Christian at all. I prefer not to prostitute my intellectual abilities at the altar of foolishness.I think SDA and scientific method are mutually exclusive by axiom.

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Eta, I guess you just don't understand that the definition of a word like "cult" can change over time -- and I gave you my definition of it, and more than one of us here is telling you that the papacy qualifies!

I really don't want this thread to close. Guys, let's just stay on topic. We're dealing with Ron Wyatt's Discoveries and Lennart Moller.From this point forth...let's stay on topic.*you know how tempting it is when someone starts something off topic to want to respond to them, so please understand Admins*

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~Lysimachus

Right - this is a general reply - since shouting at each other seems better than topic on the top and you now have got the topic closed in 15 minutes I am going to suggest the following.I'll take any two wyatt-drones in a straight "strict" two on one debate - same first post as this one.How does that sound Admin (I can't remember which forum this occurs in)?Basically I'm calling you out - put up or shut up you bullshitters.This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-04-2004 03:26 PM

Neither of these have anything to do with the Exodus video.But even if they did...

• the fact that a sample of petrified wood was produced does not show that it is from the Ark.
• the readings do not even show that it is pertrified wood.
• the fact that sulphur was submitted does not show that it was brimstone or related to the Biblical acount of sodom & Gomorrah.
• Ron Wyatt's methods and chain of control are so bad that every sample can be considered contaminated.

So far you have not produced any evidence.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Eta writes: "It's just you guys are so full of hatred towards Catholics I wondered how you would like it back..."Not true.There are a lot of good Catholic Christians out there, most of them no longer murder people in dungeons anymore --Adventists merely study the doctrines of the Bible and point out that the Catholic Church is NOT following the Bible! Which is part of the papacy's problem, they think that they are better than God or the Bible -- they got this silly idea from the Bible supposedly saying that "whatever Peter binds on earth will be bond in heaven," so they ran with the idea and changed all the doctrines and started locking people up in dungeons and killing them by the millions if they disagreed with them!Hey, I'm glad you're not a Catholic!But you're also not a believer in Jesus who died for your sins, which isn't good . . .

Oh yeah, Charles -- calling us "bullshitters" really shows that you can participate in an unbiased, level-headed debate . . .