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RAZD
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Message 1 of 29 (329899)
07-08-2006 4:23 PM


This is from a blog run by a friend of mine.
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He has a number of articles and then runs surveys and has comments on the articles.
This one is about a new "offensive" by the Phelps family:
Anti-Christ Anti-Christian - by Marty Martorella for Christianity and the Confusion
Through out time there have been religious wars against those of other faiths. The differences in believes do not even have to be great to bring blood shed. Christianity has been as guilty as any religion, even to the point of Christian killing Christian. When we forget why Christ came to the world we are doomed to act like those who crucified Him.
Today we see people calling themselves Christian acting very un-Christian. Instead of showing the Spirit of God to the world they show the Spirit of the Anti-Christ. There is very little love in their words and one must wonder if they remember why Jesus died. Fred Phelps and his followers from the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas have been picketing the funerals of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq. Their reasons are quite odd, for somehow they are associating the occupation of Iraq with homosexuality.
It would be bad enough losing a child to a {your choice: out of hand war or senseless invasion}, but to have this happen and then get this kind of hate mail and attack for something that is not only irrelevant but logically false during your time of grief and dealing with loss has to be the most ... okay I have to say it ... unchristian thing to experience.
There are three videos from CNN linked on the site that show this offensive action:
We have three short video clips for you, if you watch them in order you will find the last very interesting.
Video clip one
Video clip two
Video clip three
You'll have to go to the Site linked here to link to the videos
This is the gospel of hate.
Not something anyone can ... enjoy, eh?

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ReverendDG
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Message 2 of 29 (329998)
07-08-2006 11:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
07-08-2006 4:23 PM


I found a bunch of videos on youtube produced by WBC and some videos on them, you'd be amazed how far they are willing to streach the bible to fool people into believing god means what they mean
they quote mine the bible worse than most fundis, a lot of the stuff they point to, to back up thier beliefs is just plain wrong
if there is a TC meter they would be not on the meter ever
they make kansas look even more ignorent than the IDists do and i wish they would shut the hell up about, god hating the USA

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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 3 of 29 (330004)
07-09-2006 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by ReverendDG
07-08-2006 11:45 PM


On the one hand, I believe that these people should be able to protest whatever the heck they want, the police or lawmakers shouldn't stop them because free speech is their right. That being said, however, as a private citizen and someone planning on joining the USMC I would beat the crap out of anyone that protested at one of my buddies’ funerals.
The thing that really gets me about these people is the pictures of the kids with the "Thank god for IEDs" signs or the "God hates fags" t-shirts. Adults doing crazy shit is one thing, but brainwashing your children is something else entirely.
If I didn't know better I'd say their views are so far out there that they must be making it up just to get people angry.

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crashfrog
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Message 4 of 29 (330018)
07-09-2006 1:41 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Rand Al'Thor
07-09-2006 12:22 AM


On the one hand, I believe that these people should be able to protest whatever the heck they want, the police or lawmakers shouldn't stop them because free speech is their right. That being said, however, as a private citizen and someone planning on joining the USMC I would beat the crap out of anyone that protested at one of my buddies’ funerals.
Well, ok, so you think that lawmakers should allow social chaos and fighting in the streets to protect the right of bigots to verbally harass grieving families?
Don't get me wrong. My moral calculus rates "preserving freedom" pretty highly, as does yours, obviously. But choosing the public taking the law into their individual hands over a reasonable restriction of protest based on location and not on content? Minus fifty DKP!

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Message 5 of 29 (330032)
07-09-2006 4:35 AM
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07-09-2006 1:41 AM


My understanding (from talking to american friends) is one of the objectives of the family is to get people to attack* them so they can them make civil claims?
Has nobody every considered picketing the phelps place? Just to see what their reaction is?

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ramoss
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Message 6 of 29 (330082)
07-09-2006 12:56 PM
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07-08-2006 11:45 PM


How is the quote mining, taking things out of context or anything like that different than any other branch of any other religion? It is just that they are using it to wide open hate. I find that other branches of religious groups as euqally intolerant, but are just a bit more politer about it.
Mind you, they are so disgusting, I am surprised some idiot with no moral values, but a bit of knowledge about explosives haven't blown their house/church up yet.

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ReverendDG
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Message 7 of 29 (330164)
07-09-2006 10:00 PM
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07-09-2006 12:22 AM


I agree with you freedom of speech is important, but does the right to free speech overwrite the right for other people to live a normal happy life?
some of the things the WBC says verges on the damaging
as the saying goes "your rights end where my nose begins"
its a hard call really

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ReverendDG
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Message 8 of 29 (330166)
07-09-2006 10:03 PM
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07-09-2006 12:56 PM


How is the quote mining, taking things out of context or anything like that different than any other branch of any other religion? It is just that they are using it to wide open hate. I find that other branches of religious groups as euqally intolerant, but are just a bit more politer about it.
true i guess, but some of the mining is purely illogical to the point where i go "WTF does that have to do with anything?"
Mind you, they are so disgusting, I am surprised some idiot with no moral values, but a bit of knowledge about explosives haven't blown their house/church up yet.
considering how much of kansas is conservitive, i think people sometimes put on the face of disgust purely so they arn't taken as bigots, but agree with WBC
some people have tried to run them over, but no one has yet to blow them up (still waiting on that one)

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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 9 of 29 (330208)
07-10-2006 12:26 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by crashfrog
07-09-2006 1:41 AM


Well, ok, so you think that lawmakers should allow social chaos and fighting in the streets to protect the right of bigots to verbally harass grieving families?
I think a lot depends on what specifically the laws are stating with regards to the restrictions of the protests. If it is to allow no protesters within, say 100 ft of the cemetery then I am fine with that. What I am worried about is the banning of protest far outside of the funeral. I agree with you that obviously whatever restrictions are put in place it should be based on location rather than content.
ps Been playing wow much?

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crashfrog
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Message 10 of 29 (330210)
07-10-2006 12:29 AM
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07-10-2006 12:26 AM


I think a lot depends on what specifically the laws are stating with regards to the restrictions of the protests. If it is to allow no protesters within, say 100 ft of the cemetery then I am fine with that. What I am worried about is the banning of protest far outside of the funeral.
It's my understanding that the relevant legislation is proximity-based. I couldn't tell you what proximity, though.

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Message 11 of 29 (330211)
07-10-2006 12:30 AM
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07-08-2006 4:23 PM


wacked
They are wacked, but the thing is that the law protects them.

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RAZD
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Message 12 of 29 (330251)
07-10-2006 7:17 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by ReverendDG
07-09-2006 10:00 PM


Consider anti-hate legislation
Westboro Baptist Church - Wikipedia
Westboro Baptist Church is a hate group based in Topeka, Kansas, headed by minister Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr. and notorious for running godhatesfags.com and other websites expressing its condemnation of homosexuals, minority groups, and various other groups (see "WBC Websites" below). Its members identify themselves as Baptists; the church is an independent Baptist church not affiliated with any known Baptist conventions or associations. The church describes itself as following Primitive Baptist and Calvinist principles, though it has been accused by others of Hyper-Calvinism.[1].
In addition to their anti-homosexual stance, the organization also possesses a strong anti-Catholic, racist, neo-Nazi, anti-American, and anti-semitic stance, picketing Holocaust Memorials in an attempt to downplay the severity of the event, and holding the belief that "Jews killed Christ."
The organization is monitored as a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center.[3] Not only is Westboro opposed by supporters of gay rights, but the vast majority of Christian groups (even those who agree with Westboro that homosexuality is a sin) oppose Westboro's theology and practice, believing it to be incompatible with authentic Christian teachings.[4]
I agree with you freedom of speech is important, but does the right to free speech overwrite the right for other people to live a normal happy life?
I don't believe there is a freedom to live in a cocoon of ignorance.
We allow protests at abortion clinics -- just no so close that it impedes the passage of people to and from (nor block the protesters from going for abortions).
Perhaps they are their own worst enemy -- the number of people willing to come out and block them is impressive.

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Message 13 of 29 (330271)
07-10-2006 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
07-08-2006 4:23 PM


OMG !!
Video clip three just rules! All hail Fox News.
So according to South Park, only a "fag" can use the word "fag", we all now know what shierly phelps is.
Can people like this be locked up for being mentally unstable? Shouldn't we report them to social services? Aren't they instigators of hate?
Isn't saying someone is in hell for X amount of days just harassment?
They should all be arrested, and evaluated, to see if they are compatible with society.
I wish that church was close by, I would organize a group and go there and protest. I am disgusted.

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Message 14 of 29 (330307)
07-10-2006 10:21 AM
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07-10-2006 8:31 AM


What the reaction to Phelps & Family should be
They should all be arrested, and evaluated, to see if they are compatible with society.
IMHO no, they should not be arrested, simply laughed at.

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Message 15 of 29 (330358)
07-10-2006 12:28 PM
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07-08-2006 4:23 PM


Wow
Simply unbelievable. After watching the first two clips, I clicked on the third. The first thing I saw was the Fox News icon on the bottom left, and immediately a voice in my head said: "this is going to get ugly".
A shouting match between the beautiful news reporter and what looked like the crypt-keeper.

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